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    Default HRT for women

    I know a lot has been discussed on here about rosacea being hormonal - a lot of it has been me talking. But, this might be something for many of us to follow as it progresses.

    Lawsuit tests alleged HRT-cancer link

    03:45 PM CST on Tuesday, February 7, 2006

    Many have lost friends and relatives to breast cancer

    It has taken Carole Clements years to have something to sing about again.

    Five years ago, she was diagnosed with breast cancer which she now believes was caused by the medicine she took for hot flashes.

    "It makes you mad. You think it caused something. I never would have had this if I hadn't taken this medicine," she says.

    The potential danger of estrogen and progesterone together became national news three years ago when the Women's Health Initiative linked the drug combination to breast cancer, heart disease and stroke.

    Many menopausal women took the HRT combo for years.

    Dallas attorney Les Weisbrod says the drug makers misled patients.

    "I mean, why not just give them a revolver with a bullet in it and say 'let's play Russian roulette with this drug.' We don't know what's going to happen to you if you take it for five or ten years. That's wrong."

    He represents 800 women and will try one of the first of these cases in the country this summer.

    In hindsight, Carole Clements wishes she would have toughed out the hot flashes.

    "It couldn't be any worse than taking the chemo, radiation."

    She's now looking forward to putting all the pain behind her.
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    How interesting Kelli. HRT is on my list of possibles to consider for Rosacea but I haven't done much reading on it. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. At least that's one thing I can now strike off my ever growing list!

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    Some say that natural progesterone (no synthetics and no estrogen) can help. It is the estrogen that will get you.
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    I don't know that I'd jump to striking it off the list, but I really think some following the research that will be found with this trial could be very interesting. I plan on following along as much as possible.
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    Yes, you're right Kelli. But I would so like to make my list smaller!
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    Well, bioidentical estrogen cured my rosacea and I couldn't live without it. The HRT estrogen that they are talking about causing cancer is estrogen from HORSE URINE combined with an artificial progesterone. All the studies have been done with Premarin, a Wyeth-Ayerst drug that is synonymous with estrogen in doctors' minds, but is not the same thing at all. The major ingredient in Premarin is equilin, a horse estrogen that is 1000 times stronger than human estrogen. If human estrogen were so dangerous to humans, pregnant women would be getting the most breast cancer, as estrogen skyrockets at that time. Yet women with the most pregnancies suffer the least breast cancer in later life.

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    Thanks for the info Irishgenes.

    HRT is still on my list of things to consider but I haven't done much reading on it. That ever growing list! Aggh!

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    You're right, irishgenes. They haven't really studied the bioidentical estrogen. I've been on the Vivelle patch for five years (since I was 30-I had a hysterectomy due to painful endometriosis), which is the bioidentical estrogen and my gyn said all those studies were basically done on Premarin (which I've always refused to take--EEEWWWW!!).

    Do you use patches or compounded estrogen, if you don't mind my asking?

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    I tried patches, but they were just not strong enough for me. I didn't absorb it well for some reason, and I tried Estraderm and the Vivelle dot. Then I took compounded capsules (Tri-est) for years. About 3 months ago, I started the compounded gel, and that is what cured me of rosacea, which I have only had since age 58 when I lost a lot of weight (and thus a major source of my own estrogen). The reason the gel is so good is that you can figure out your own dose. Some days I need more than others. Just a tiny difference in dose (.05 mg.) can be the difference between bad symptoms and no symptoms for me.

    Wyeth-Ayerst is so upset over women dropping Premarin due to the recent studies showing increased cancer risk (though the increased risk is very small and probably related to the Provera), that they are trying to shut down the bioidentical hormone compounders by claiming that women don't need individual dosing of hormones, and that the bioidentical hormones have not been proven safe. DUH! It is what we have had in our bodies all our lives, a hormone designed by God! I just got a letter from the Women's International Pharmacy, my compounder, telling me to write my congressmen because Wyeth, in cahoots with the FDA and the OB-GYN Association, are threatening to take away our bioidentical compounded hormones. I imagine the (mostly male) gynecologists don't like all these patients suddenly demanding bioidentical hormones. They are set in their ways and it is so easy and quick just to write the same prescription for everyone. If these men had a sudden huge drop in their testosterone, they would see what it is like!

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    Irish,

    What specifically do you take?

    Also this is upsetting:

    Quote Originally Posted by irishgenes
    Wyeth, in cahoots with the FDA and the OB-GYN Association, are threatening to take away our bioidentical compounded hormones. I imagine the (mostly male) gynecologists don't like all these patients suddenly demanding bioidentical hormones. They are set in their ways and it is so easy and quick just to write the same prescription for everyone.
    I think it goes deeper than that. I think the issues are about money and some patriarchal/misogynist control over women. Something similar is happening with accutance. Men have the "blue" effect on viagra but I don't see them in any big hurry to pull that one off the shelves. In fact, tax dollars have spent to give it to convicted sex offenders.

    Quote Originally Posted by irishgenes
    If these men had a sudden huge drop in their testosterone, they would see what it is like!
    Castration would do the trick. Then instead of horse urine we could give them horse sh*t. Of course, it might not be bioidentical to the sh*t they're full of....

    ...but, I digress. Thanks for sharing all your info and keeping us posted. I think you've helped many women here whose symptoms are due to hormonal instability.

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