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    Quote Originally Posted by since2000 View Post
    Has anyone ever tried taking a fiber supplement just before eating food to help with flushing? And if so, did it help?
    I came across the below article which recommended Inulin, Methylcellulose, Psyllium or Wheat Dextrin
    https://*******.com/rosacea/rosacea-...important-tip/
    Your link doesn't work.
    This is an oldie but goodie:

    Clin Exp Dermatol. 2004 May;29(3):297-9.
    Remission of rosacea induced by reduction of gut transit time.
    Kendall SN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    Your link doesn't work.
    This is an oldie but goodie:

    Clin Exp Dermatol. 2004 May;29(3):297-9.
    Remission of rosacea induced by reduction of gut transit time.
    Kendall SN
    Sorry, it's not letting me post the link but it's

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    Brady...regarding the link you posted...do you know what it was that the patient ingested that brought about their remission? Doesn't specify in the summary
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    "Thirty grams of coarse wheat bran was mixed with warm water and a small amount of sugar to improve the taste." You can read the entire article full text in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since2000 View Post
    Okay thanks mate.

    Hoping to find something I can take to minimise or stop the flushing from meats. If I can eat meat I can at least kind of function given I already eliminate Gluten, Dairy and am extremely carb-restricted!
    It sounds like you have quite a strong flushing, so you'll need to think about addressing all aspects that can influence flushing - using the right combination of medicines (I suggest some that work well for many above); topicals (e.g. Zhongzhou cream and maybe a barrier repair cream like Dermalogica); nutrition (supplements can certainly help with the foods you eat); psychology (there are numerous approaches that different people find helpful to calm their flushing).

    Strong flushing is linked to the bloodflow and everything influences bloodflow, so you need to try to influence the blood flow in your flushing areas from all angles - internal and external.

    I'd recommend finding a doctor who specialises in medications to treat rosacea flushing, or at least is willing to work with you to try sensible options. The ones you've tried so far are not really adequate for flushing.
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    Thanks Brady for the link to the other thread, will give that a read

    And thanks antwantsclear...my Chinese TCM doctor I am seeing at the moment says the same thing about bloodflow causing flushing (to food). She says that my hands and feet are always cold, while other parts of the body overcompensate for this. Also my bloodflow is poor in general. She has been working on regulating this among other things.

    I'm generally hesitant in taking general flushing medication. Firstly because from what I have seen (and from what my derm told me when I asked her) none specifically target food flushing. And secondly because I have seen a lot of cases where rebound flushing occurs and the initial baseline redness and flushing worsens unless you keep on taking this flushing medication. For someone who is already on 2 types of oral medication which will be hard to ever come off, I don't want to be stuck on another type of medication that I will never be able to come off because of rebound flushing.

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    Carl,
    You started this thread I asked you about your diet and you replied in post no 3 you ate the following, 'Apple, 1 Pear, 1 Kiwi Fruit...Red potatoes' which are high in carbohydrate. I mentioned in post no 4 that "that sugar is the fire that burns inflammation" and recommended you "reduce carbohydrate intake to less than 30 grams a day since sugar is addictive." You replied in post no 6 you have tried gluten and dairy free diets, and that your dietician says "that natural sugar from fruit is fine and doesn’t really count as an inflammatory like Carbohradrates or Unnatural added sugar does. I have no problem with it." In post no 8 I offered you a free copy of the rosacea diet. As I recommend in the rosacea diet, you do have the option to try reducing your sugar/carbohydrate to a minimum of 30 grams a day for 30 days to see if this helps your issue. Sugar/carbohydrate may be your issue, even though you say your are 'carb restricted' you haven't restricted it to no more than 30 grams a day and tried this for thirty days. I don't recall if I sent you the rosacea diet, did I? If not I can email it to you.

    Just remember that reducing your diet to an even more 'carb restricted' one to no more than 30 days may help you understand the role sugar/carbohydrate is in triggering your issues. You can always go back to your 'natural sugar' routine with apple, pear, kiwi, and red potatoe after the thirty days to see if your issue returns. This is sort of what is called an elimination or an exclusion diet. Most rosaceans do not have the hutzpa to try this since they are so addicted to sugar, and I surely understand why they can't do it. So if you can't do this either, you will simply have to continue on your search journey for another method to control your flushing and skin issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    Carl,
    You started this thread I asked you about your diet and you replied in post no 3 you ate the following, 'Apple, 1 Pear, 1 Kiwi Fruit...Red potatoes' which are high in carbohydrate. I mentioned in post no 4 that "that sugar is the fire that burns inflammation" and recommended you "reduce carbohydrate intake to less than 30 grams a day since sugar is addictive." You replied in post no 6 you have tried gluten and dairy free diets, and that your dietician says "that natural sugar from fruit is fine and doesn’t really count as an inflammatory like Carbohradrates or Unnatural added sugar does. I have no problem with it." In post no 8 I offered you a free copy of the rosacea diet. As I recommend in the rosacea diet, you do have the option to try reducing your sugar/carbohydrate to a minimum of 30 grams a day for 30 days to see if this helps your issue. Sugar/carbohydrate may be your issue, even though you say your are 'carb restricted' you haven't restricted it to no more than 30 grams a day and tried this for thirty days. I don't recall if I sent you the rosacea diet, did I? If not I can email it to you.

    Just remember that reducing your diet to an even more 'carb restricted' one to no more than 30 days may help you understand the role sugar/carbohydrate is in triggering your issues. You can always go back to your 'natural sugar' routine with apple, pear, kiwi, and red potatoe after the thirty days to see if your issue returns. This is sort of what is called an elimination or an exclusion diet. Most rosaceans do not have the hutzpa to try this since they are so addicted to sugar, and I surely understand why they can't do it. So if you can't do this either, you will simply have to continue on your search journey for another method to control your flushing and skin issues.
    After 30 days, i suppose you can introduce a new food, one at a time, to test if you flush. Most exclusion diets say after 3 weeks you can add one new food and give it 3-4 days of eating this to make sure it is safe before then adding another one.
    I am going to try this with a food diary, knowing it is going to be very hard and time consuming, any tips on doing this properly (already read https://irosacea.org/articles/rosace...ation-diet-r24.

    One thing I have noticed is certain foods in moderation are not triggers, like a large bowl porridge made with water, but if I have another bowl a few hours later it will be a trigger. This makes it much more difficult to eliminate foods.

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    Didn't know that three weeks is required to add a food with most exclusion diets. Diet triggers can be definitely tricky to figure out, not to mention that there might be other trigger factors to consider, i.e., oral or topical drugs, vitamins, supplements, the environment, stress, etc., to consider in addition to the food and drink consumed.

    We keep adding to the 'official' trigger list as we learn new ones to consider, which are all based upon anecdotal reports, surveys, polls.

    There really hasn't been any clinical studies done on triggers that are double blind, placebo controlled, peer reviewed. Who want sponsor such a study? And whenever a discussion on rosacea is brought up triggers are always mentioned.

    Definitely trigger factors are part of the butterfly effect in rosacea which is based upon the 'initial conditions' that are 'associated with a large number of false myths regarding causes and treatment.' As an example, some physicians and medical sources continue to mention that coffee is a rosacea flareup trigger, when it is actually a possible flushing trigger.

    May your food diary help you in your search for rosacea diet food triggers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Johndlwdbm View Post
    After 30 days, i suppose you can introduce a new food, one at a time, to test if you flush. Most exclusion diets say after 3 weeks you can add one new food and give it 3-4 days of eating this to make sure it is safe before then adding another one. I am going to try this with a food diary, knowing it is going to be very hard and time consuming, any tips on doing this properly (already read https://irosacea.org/articles/rosace...ation-diet-r24.
    One thing I have noticed is certain foods in moderation are not triggers, like a large bowl porridge made with water, but if I have another bowl a few hours later it will be a trigger. This makes it much more difficult to eliminate foods.
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