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    Default Started ZZ Cream today (with Pic)

    After 20 years of rosacea I think I finally figured out the cause- demodex mites. Not sure why any of my multiple dermatologists have ever mentioned this, but I finally came across some articles and pictures, and I feel like this has to be it. I also get itching at night, soon after I turn of the lights. Ewwwww. I have been using TTO for the past week while waiting for my ZZ cream to arrive, and so far my skin is much worse so I see that as a good sign. I will try to post daily pics to see my progress (or worsening- who knows?)

    Red Recluse, I noticed that your skin was clear in 10 days, and you did not seem to experience the terrible cycle of dye-off that can go on for several months. I started using TTO last week (after days of desperate research and learning about demodex which no derm ever told me about) and in the past week things have worsened a lot, but I see that as a good sign. I will now stop the TTO and use ZZ cream alone, but I'm thinking once a day because I have to work next week and I cannot go to work with peeling and pustules! My question is: I cannot find the daily "what to expect" chart which is from demodex solutions website. Do you still have that? My second question is: after 10 days when your skin was quite clear, did you continue to the daily ZZ cream until about 30 days? When did you start 1-2x/week maintenance? Thank you in advance to any help from anyone with these answers!
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    So I used the cream yesterday morning, last night and this AM. So far so good. It was very drying yesterday, but last night I applied it over moisturizer. This morning my skin felt smooth and moisturized, but very red. I also used the DS shampoo last night and mixed baby shampoo/TTO to rub on my eyelashes. Trying to take all the precautions. As for immune boosters I am taking Immuplex from Standard Process, Omega3s/fish oil, Vit C, and generally have a clean diet. The DS website says to take B2 as well but I can't figure out how that would be helpful. Any ideas anyone? Food has never seemed to affect my outbreaks and I had food sensitivity testing done.... zero, zip, no sensitivities whatsoever. So I'm fairly convinced it's the mites. Ugh. I will take a pic and post later after tonight's application. I was expecting it to be worse, but since I'm used to this amount of redness I'm going to stick to the twice/day plan unless things get really bad, and then I will switch to just nights. I am a little confused about the two creams I got however. One was called an ointment and one was called a cream, but the bottles are identical except for a little word on one bottle which says "original" yet the ingredients are exactly the same. So at this time I am using the original bottle. Will keep posting- I am hopeful but cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redvelvet View Post
    So I used the cream yesterday morning, last night and this AM. So far so good. It was very drying yesterday, but last night I applied it over moisturizer. This morning my skin felt smooth and moisturized, but very red. I also used the DS shampoo last night and mixed baby shampoo/TTO to rub on my eyelashes. Trying to take all the precautions. As for immune boosters I am taking Immuplex from Standard Process, Omega3s/fish oil, Vit C, and generally have a clean diet. The DS website says to take B2 as well but I can't figure out how that would be helpful. Any ideas anyone? Food has never seemed to affect my outbreaks and I had food sensitivity testing done.... zero, zip, no sensitivities whatsoever. So I'm fairly convinced it's the mites. Ugh. I will take a pic and post later after tonight's application. I was expecting it to be worse, but since I'm used to this amount of redness I'm going to stick to the twice/day plan unless things get really bad, and then I will switch to just nights. I am a little confused about the two creams I got however. One was called an ointment and one was called a cream, but the bottles are identical except for a little word on one bottle which says "original" yet the ingredients are exactly the same. So at this time I am using the original bottle. Will keep posting- I am hopeful but cautious.
    I'm glad the Zhongzhou cream is working well for you. I also find it helps. However, for me the DS shampoo doesn't work well nor the Vitamin C and fish oil, which causes me flushing. I agree it's important to treat the hair as wlel though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antwantsclear View Post
    I'm glad the Zhongzhou cream is working well for you. I also find it helps. However, for me the DS shampoo doesn't work well nor the Vitamin C and fish oil, which causes me flushing. I agree it's important to treat the hair as wlel though.
    Thanks for the tip! It never occurred to me that fish oil or Vit C might cause flushing. Actually I love the shampoo... I really think my hair is noticeably softer, and not as hay-like. So I've now done 5 applications of the ZZ cream and here's what's happening: less red marks, smaller pustules, and very smooth texture to my skin which has always felt much like sandpaper. I've had a "hole" on my temple, which I guess was an enlarged pore, for 2 years which has disappeared. It used to enlarge, flake, and then have a dozen red dots surrounding it throughout the month. I could never figure out what it was and my dermatologist gave me a cortisone cream which I recently found out is NOT to be used on the face. Anyway, the flushing is still there, which is fine, I'm used to that. The itchy, bite mark, spots where what was concerning me. I would look in the mirror and have a welt on my face for no reason, which was sore, almost like a mosquito bite. I think those are definitely dying down. Will do the 6th application tonight. Also using TTO/moisturizer mix on my hairline behind my ears and back of neck.

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    I have been a loyal user of the ZZ cream for years (have tried some other treatments but always go back to the ZZ cream). It usually takes thirty days to get clearance but you should know in ten days if your skin starts to improve. As for nutritional deficiencies in rosacea you may want to read this post on this subject. Red Recluse usually responds to inquiries, so be patient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    I have been a loyal user of the ZZ cream for years (have tried some other treatments but always go back to the ZZ cream). It usually takes thirty days to get clearance but you should know in ten days if your skin starts to improve. As for nutritional deficiencies in rosacea you may want to read this post on this subject. Red Recluse usually responds to inquiries, so be patient.
    Thank you Brady Barrows. I can't tell you how much I have learned in the past two weeks reading this forum. Wish I had done some research earlier. I want to thank everyone who takes the time to read posts and respond. Dealing with any chronic illness is difficult, and I learned so little from my doctors. The majority of what I had learned was online, but this forum has been extremely informative. A few years ago my mom had a tick bite and was put on doxy for two weeks. Later that month she developed arthritis, headaches, fogginess, etc which we all knew was persistent lyme. Her doctors refused to giver her any more meds but instead sent her to every specialist under the sun, who diagnosed her with fibromyalgia, different arthritises, etc and they all would not believe she still had lyme because her blood tests were negative. After a year she was in a wheelchair. Out of desperation I turned to a Lyme forum and was able to connect with others and I became even more convinced that it all stemmed from the tick bite. Through the forum I got the name of a lyme specialist who could not advertise herself as a Lyme specialist for fear of losing her license. She did extensive bloodwork which confirmed that my mom still had lyme along with two other co-infections. After two years of different combinations of antibiotics, my mom is finally 100% back to normal- no wheelchair, no meds. I tell this story because it's so important to take control of your own health and do your own research, even if that means just listening to others' stories. I wish I had joined this forum sooner, but here I am now, ready to tackle my rosacea once and for all. I think I developed the redness/flushing around 25, and think that was hormonally related, but now I think I have the demodex mites since I have completely new symptoms now. With the ZZ cream I am hoping to rid my face of the red dots/pustules, and then if I still have underlying redness I can try to figure that part out later. BTW, I decided not to use the ZZ cream this AM because I was pretty red, so I may start just one application every night. So far it has not been that drying for me. Fingers crossed!

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    Usually most users of the ZZ cream use it at night only, wash it off in the AM, apply their favorite moisturizer if they have dry skin, or nothing if they have oily skin. Another option is to apply the horse paste in the AM which has also a number of rave reviews from online anecdotal reports. I tried it and it does indeed kill the mites but I still prefer the ZZ cream over the horse paste. The one I tried was Durvet, which is more like a gel, is totally clear, and can be applied during the day without showing a paste at all. The problem with the ZZ cream, while it works great, is that it is extremely difficult to dissolve in the skin and shows up if you apply it during the day. The horse paste is clear and dissolves easily into the skin. One caveat of horse paste is that it will dry your skin so if you have dry skin, be aware.

    I learned about the horse paste on the internet as well. What this means is that eventually there will be an ivermectin gel released by some pharmaceutical company since an ivermectin cream, Soolantra, has already been released by Galderma, which I tried as well, but did not find it as effective as the ZZ cream. This new ivermectin gel will be probably identical to the horse paste but will pass through all the hoops the FDA requires for human treatment rather than for horses. Galderma and all the other pharmaceutical companies also follow these rosacea online groups on the internet and they are seeing how hundreds of thousands are using unconventional treatments for rosacea since there are a significant number of rosaceans who are not responding to conventional medical treatments aimed at controlling rosacea and are using unconventional treatments for rosacea such as the ZZ cream, horse paste, and the list goes on and on. The RRDi was formed in 2004 as an online rosacea patient advocacy non profit organization to gather together rosaceans into a group that could significantly impact the medical community on rosacea treatment options.

    As for the history of this rosacea support group, the Rosacea Forum [RF] (www.rosaceagroup.org), it was originally formed by Warren Stuart who has since passed away. Warren served on the board of directors for the RRDi for some time until his passing. At that time, RF had a sister relationship with the RRDi. Warren was instrumental in setting up the RRDi website through Invision Community. There are not many like Warren who was selfless and worked tirelessly for rosacea patient advocacy. RF was taken over by David Pascoe who is footing the bill for it continuing on. As you point out, RF has a wealth of rosacea information that is worth preserving, so hat's off to David Pascoe for keeping it going and who allows me to continue posting here.

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    Thank you Brady Barrows. I can't tell you how much I have learned in the past two weeks reading this forum. Wish I had done some research earlier. I want to thank everyone who takes the time to read posts and respond. Dealing with any chronic illness is difficult, and I learned so little from my doctors. The majority of what I had learned was online, but this forum has been extremely informative. A few years ago my mom had a tick bite and was put on doxy for two weeks. Later that month she developed arthritis, headaches, fogginess, etc which we all knew was persistent lyme. Her doctors refused to giver her any more meds but instead sent her to every specialist under the sun, who diagnosed her with fibromyalgia, different arthritises, etc and they all would not believe she still had lyme because her blood tests were negative. After a year she was in a wheelchair. Out of desperation I turned to a Lyme forum and was able to connect with others and I became even more convinced that it all stemmed from the tick bite. Through the forum I got the name of a lyme specialist who could not advertise herself as a Lyme specialist for fear of losing her license. She did extensive bloodwork which confirmed that my mom still had lyme along with two other co-infections. After two years of different combinations of antibiotics, my mom is finally 100% back to normal- no wheelchair, no meds. I tell this story because it's so important to take control of your own health and do your own research, even if that means just listening to others' stories. I wish I had joined this forum sooner, but here I am now, ready to tackle my rosacea once and for all. I think I developed the redness/flushing around 25, and think that was hormonally related, but now I think I have the demodex mites since I have completely new symptoms now. With the ZZ cream I am hoping to rid my face of the red dots/pustules, and then if I still have underlying redness I can try to figure that part out later. BTW, I decided not to use the ZZ cream this AM because I was pretty red, so I may start just one application every night. So far it has not been that drying for me. Fingers crossed!
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    Thank you for all the helpful info Brady Barrows. I obviously have much to learn still but happy to be on this journey. I'm posting two pics: the first is from day 2 and the second is this AM. I find the ZZ cream is actually almost working as a foundation. It does not look pasty or flakey on my skin, just smooths it out. I do have lipstick on in the second pic, but no other makeup. The lighting is different too, but my skin really looks different. The red dots are definitely happening less. I was expecting days 5-7 to be the worst, but it only seems to be getting better. Maybe due to TTO two weeks ago while I waited for ZZ to arrive?

    On another note, I always choose a natural alternative when available. Most pharmaceutical medications are derived from a plant or something found in nature, but altered and made in a lab. Our bodies know the difference. It looks like Ivermectin comes from Streptomyces avermitilis, which may be the secret Chinese herbs found in ZZ cream. I will stick with the ZZ cream!!
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    Default Update - day 6, 11th application

    Day 6- noticeably clearer skin. I found the ďWhat to expectĒ info on the Demodex Solutions website and actually weeks 2-3 are supposed to be the worst so we will see. I canít imagine it being worse than other outbreaks Iíve delt with. I would like to post daily pics but I canít seem to do that from my phone, so Iím having to save them on my laptop and upload them from there. If anyone knows how to upload them directly please advise. As for supplements I started taking the B2 (100mg) and the redness seemed less today. Also started taking Spleen Dessicans from Standard Process. The Standard Process theory is that Rosace can be caused by spleen issues so - it canít hurt. However I am completely convinced that I have demodex mites so I think I must kill those off first and then see what skin issues Iím dealing With. I seem to have a line of red dots going from the inside corner of my right eye down to the upper part of my cheek right along where the skin changes texture. Itís bizarre- itís almost like the mites planted themselves there. Any ideas?
    Thanks everyone. So so grateful for finding ZZ cream!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redvelvet View Post
    Day 6- noticeably clearer skin. I found the ďWhat to expectĒ info on the Demodex Solutions website and actually weeks 2-3 are supposed to be the worst so we will see. I canít imagine it being worse than other outbreaks Iíve delt with. I would like to post daily pics but I canít seem to do that from my phone, so Iím having to save them on my laptop and upload them from there. If anyone knows how to upload them directly please advise. As for supplements I started taking the B2 (100mg) and the redness seemed less today. Also started taking Spleen Dessicans from Standard Process. The Standard Process theory is that Rosace can be caused by spleen issues so - it canít hurt. However I am completely convinced that I have demodex mites so I think I must kill those off first and then see what skin issues Iím dealing With. I seem to have a line of red dots going from the inside corner of my right eye down to the upper part of my cheek right along where the skin changes texture. Itís bizarre- itís almost like the mites planted themselves there. Any ideas?
    Thanks everyone. So so grateful for finding ZZ cream!!!
    The Zinc and Sulphur in the ZZ Cream are the major ingredients that will kill off the adult mites. But indeed it may get worse again before it gets better. Topical treatments kill off the adults only but then new eggs hatch. It is necessary to go through multiple weeks of treatment to knock down the population. That is why the oral Ivermectin treatment usually has a weekly dose of Ivermectin given for at least 2 weeks.

    The eggs take about 3 days to hatch after being laid. The nymphs (juveniles that hatched) take roughly 5-6 days to mature before they can start laying new eggs. Unfortunately, nothing is known to kill the eggs. The Hypochlorous Acid sprays will kill the nymphs.

    The trail you see as the line of red dots may be caused by the mites migrating in a line from the eye area down to your cheek. They mate at night and move rather slowly. Very important to keep treating continuously at night until its under control.

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