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    Soooo posting on here again! I have started a few threads before about my symptoms and what my dermatologist suggested I had (demodex and possible yeast related issues). I was trying to add to my old thread but it wouldn't let me upload pics. Quick background is that about 6 years ago I stopped washing my face except with just water due to sensitive skin and then started developing follicular scaling in every pore, itchy like hives, small burning pimples, and a layer of dead skin on my face. The only way to get this layer of dead skin off was to literally rub it off with my fingers. I also recently began losing the fine peach fuzz on my face as well. I tried Soolantra about 2 years ago but after 2 weeks I stopped because I started developing itchy white-heads. I also has this problem with sulfur. But I was never sure if my problem was really demodex since we all have them. Anyway I have a microscope at home. So recently I had an area on my forehead that was irritated and bumpy with plugs like I get on the rest of my face and I decided to squeeze out one of the plugs and look at it under a microscope lol (I know, crazy). And I literally found 7 demodex in the one pore!!!! Like holy crap... I have included a picture I took with my phone of them. Could demodex really be my issue?!? I have read that the criteria for demodex induced rosacea is 5 mites per cm. I literally had 7 in just one pore!!! I am kind of in shock lol I am so scared to treat for demodex because of die off though. Ughhh please help.
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    That is a really cool photo! You will learn a lot if you read this post by the Russians regarding Russian Study on Demodex Mites and Rosacea Illuminating. Are you aware of the horse paste for rosacea? The other option is the ZZ cream which many in this forum rave about. I think you are really on to something that eventually many will simply be doing their own demodex density count using their mobile device. Basically a physician prescribes Soolantra and says, 'try this and come back in 30 days' to see if Soolantra works. My dermatologist says one in four respond well to Soolantra. Horse paste seems to work even better than Soolantra based upon anecdotal reports, but we don't have an hard data on this. That is why it would be incredible if rosaceans would simply come together into one organization and make their own polls and data rather than rely on data that is skewed by pharmaceutical company data that obviously has a monetary interest in the results. It is so sad that rosaceans simply can't come together into one cohesive non profit organization. I have tried for many years to make this happen. But the volunteers are scanty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    That is a really cool photo! You will learn a lot if you read this post by the Russians regarding Russian Study on Demodex Mites and Rosacea Illuminating. Are you aware of the horse paste for rosacea? The other option is the ZZ cream which many in this forum rave about. I think you are really on to something that eventually many will simply be doing their own demodex density count using their mobile device. Basically a physician prescribes Soolantra and says, 'try this and come back in 30 days' to see if Soolantra works. My dermatologist says one in four respond well to Soolantra. Horse paste seems to work even better than Soolantra based upon anecdotal reports, but we don't have an hard data on this. That is why it would be incredible if rosaceans would simply come together into one organization and make their own polls and data rather than rely on data that is skewed by pharmaceutical company data that obviously has a monetary interest in the results. It is so sad that rosaceans simply can't come together into one cohesive non profit organization. I have tried for many years to make this happen. But the volunteers are scanty.

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    Here are also several pics of what my skin does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capture531 View Post
    Here are also several pics of what my skin does.
    It would explain why you was breaking out in whiteheads with soolantra.
    You was having die off.

    Iím on week 10 and still having the odd white head. Not sure if this is normal but Iím pushing through to week 12 then Iím back to derm who again will try and give me antibiotics even though I have Gastritis and want to be sick all the time and struggle to eat.
    Some docs suggested antibiotics before I even got the spots. For me everything else should be tried first unless someone has a really good gut function and they want to go down the antibiotic route. But seeing how antibiotics triggered my gut problem I really donít want to go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    That is a really cool photo! You will learn a lot if you read this post by the Russians regarding Russian Study on Demodex Mites and Rosacea Illuminating. Are you aware of the horse paste for rosacea? The other option is the ZZ cream which many in this forum rave about. I think you are really on to something that eventually many will simply be doing their own demodex density count using their mobile device. Basically a physician prescribes Soolantra and says, 'try this and come back in 30 days' to see if Soolantra works. My dermatologist says one in four respond well to Soolantra. Horse paste seems to work even better than Soolantra based upon anecdotal reports, but we don't have an hard data on this. That is why it would be incredible if rosaceans would simply come together into one organization and make their own polls and data rather than rely on data that is skewed by pharmaceutical company data that obviously has a monetary interest in the results. It is so sad that rosaceans simply can't come together into one cohesive non profit organization. I have tried for many years to make this happen. But the volunteers are scanty.
    Also a good idea. But I guess it’s getting it off the ground. As you say if there is no money in actually looking for a cure for pharmaceutical companies so real research by real rosacea sufferers is needed.
    I’ve had some doctors that are just cruel basically if you won’t do antibiotics then they are not interested.
    And only one horsepaste cream Soolantra? If your sensitive to the ingredients your stuffed unless you want to try and make your own which is a bit scary. I’ve been to eye hospital and one eye care specialist said Demodex don’t exist it’s an old wives tail �� That was the Sheffield eye hospital UK . It’s scary that when you get to the main eye Doctor there and your tell him about rosacea he asked if you have tried rubbing your eye lids with tea tree oil to which you have to point out to him that would be incredibly dangerous as it has to be very diluted or it will burn. To which he answered oh I’ve been given a book I haven’t read it properly yet. I’ll give you some antibiotics for three months. Which I didn’t take. Anyway after 10 weeks of soolantra and Optase wipes I went back and he said so you have taking the antibiotics? I said no I can’t as my guts are shot. He examined my eyes and said
    “what ever your doing keep doing as there is no sign of blepharitis” .......so I could have been even sicker with antibiotics with a condition that could come back as soon as I stop the antibiotics. The root cause have to be tackled first surely not just treating your bodies reaction to them dying. That’s if it is demodex of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubydo1 View Post
    Also a good idea. But I guess itís getting it off the ground. As you say if there is no money in actually looking for a cure for pharmaceutical companies so real research by real rosacea sufferers is needed.
    Iíve had some doctors that are just cruel basically if you wonít do antibiotics then they are not interested.
    And only one horsepaste cream Soolantra? If your sensitive to the ingredients your stuffed unless you want to try and make your own which is a bit scary. Iíve been to eye hospital and one eye care specialist said Demodex donít exist itís an old wives tail �� That was the Sheffield eye hospital UK . Itís scary that when you get to the main eye Doctor there and your tell him about rosacea he asked if you have tried rubbing your eye lids with tea tree oil to which you have to point out to him that would be incredibly dangerous as it has to be very diluted or it will burn. To which he answered oh Iíve been given a book I havenít read it properly yet. Iíll give you some antibiotics for three months. Which I didnít take. Anyway after 10 weeks of soolantra and Optase wipes I went back and he said so you have taking the antibiotics? I said no I canít as my guts are shot. He examined my eyes and said
    ďwhat ever your doing keep doing as there is no sign of blepharitisĒ .......so I could have been even sicker with antibiotics with a condition that could come back as soon as I stop the antibiotics. The root cause have to be tackled first surely not just treating your bodies reaction to them dying. Thatís if it is demodex of course.
    A big problem if you only treat the face alone with Soolantra or Zhongzhou cream is that demodex mites live in the hair so they will just scurry off to other areas that you don't treat for mites and come back as soon as they can to the face! That's why tea tree oil shampoos etc are helpful. Tea tree oil shampoos and similar that kill the mites also speed up hair growth which a lot of people find an added bonus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by antwantsclear View Post
    A big problem if you only treat the face alone with Soolantra or Zhongzhou cream is that demodex mites live in the hair so they will just scurry off to other areas that you don't treat for mites and come back as soon as they can to the face! That's why tea tree oil shampoos etc are helpful. Tea tree oil shampoos and similar that kill the mites also speed up hair growth which a lot of people find an added bonus!
    Are you suggesting that ivermectin does not kill the mites at all? That they simply dont like it and migrate to other areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubydo1 View Post
    Also a good idea. But I guess itís getting it off the ground. As you say if there is no money in actually looking for a cure for pharmaceutical companies so real research by real rosacea sufferers is needed.
    Iíve had some doctors that are just cruel basically if you wonít do antibiotics then they are not interested.
    And only one horsepaste cream Soolantra? If your sensitive to the ingredients your stuffed unless you want to try and make your own which is a bit scary. Iíve been to eye hospital and one eye care specialist said Demodex donít exist itís an old wives tail �� That was the Sheffield eye hospital UK . Itís scary that when you get to the main eye Doctor there and your tell him about rosacea he asked if you have tried rubbing your eye lids with tea tree oil to which you have to point out to him that would be incredibly dangerous as it has to be very diluted or it will burn. To which he answered oh Iíve been given a book I havenít read it properly yet. Iíll give you some antibiotics for three months. Which I didnít take. Anyway after 10 weeks of soolantra and Optase wipes I went back and he said so you have taking the antibiotics? I said no I canít as my guts are shot. He examined my eyes and said
    ďwhat ever your doing keep doing as there is no sign of blepharitisĒ .......so I could have been even sicker with antibiotics with a condition that could come back as soon as I stop the antibiotics. The root cause have to be tackled first surely not just treating your bodies reaction to them dying. Thatís if it is demodex of course.
    There are still some doctors who are not keeping up with demodectic rosacea which has a history of controversy behind it (scroll down to the subheading 'The History of the Demodex Controversy' in this article). The evidence is now overwhelming that demodectic rosacea is a rosacea variant. The NRS, the AARS, the ARSC, and the ADD do not recognize demodectic rosacea as a rosacea variant [what is a variant?], therefore, only the RRDi recognizes it. Not all rosacea is demodectic, but a significant number of rosacea sufferers respond to treatment for demodex mites.
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    even if they would die or move onto other parts of the face that treated area should clear up

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