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    Hello, I'm fairly new to rosacea. I was diagnosed with rosacea type 2 (ps&ps) about a year ago. I was prescribed tetracycline and azelaic acid, both of which helped, and there was a marked improvement with azelaic acid in particular from the first couple of applications (smoother skin). After 3 months I went off the tetracycline and had been using azelaic acid on and off since then in an effort to control the flare-ups until a bad flare-up occurred last October, when I came across posts on this forum about the zz cream.

    I started posting on a different thread in October and with the encouragement of people on that thread I started using zz cream 32 days ago (a big thank you to RedRecluse, Brady Barrows and Tom Busby among others for all your help and encouragement). I'm really grateful I went on the cream as although there have been some ups and downs, there have been some very positive results so far. I may at some point post photos of the progress. The redness has gone down considerably as have the bumps and the pustules on the forehead and my cheeks, which were the areas worst affected. Dryness is getting better as well - maybe I'm getting used to the zz cream. The flakiness has almost disappeared as has the itchiness (including in my eyebrows).

    Progress was very clear from the first couple of applications of the cream. I'm about to go on my second tub of cream and I think progress is slower now or perhaps it's to be expected as overall my face is about 75% better (it was particularly bad when I started on the cream). There are still bumps on the chin as well as along the jawline however, and a few pimples that have mostly already gone down on the neck area but the bumps remain. I know there's still a long way to go and I'll be as patient as possible because I can see that the cream works for me. The bumps and pustules on the chin, along the jawline and on the top of the neck have mostly appeared after using the zz cream, and I guess that's normal. However, these bumps are now quite slow to go down, and I wonder whether they're really going down at all. Is this normal? Am I doing anything wrong? Should I be doing anythinv else, too?

    To help matters from the inside as well, I'm going to cut down on carbs, which I haven't done so far as I'm rather apprehensive how to supplement my diet to make up for the lowered carbs - i.e. more protein? Any suggestions for a healthy diet that will boost my immune system and work best for rosacea? Also, any advice on a good probiotic/prebiotic and a good multivitamin supplement (in general as well as for rosacea)?

    I'll post another update soon. In the meantime, I'll be very grateful for any advice you may have to offer.

    Libby

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libby2018 View Post
    Hello, I'm fairly new to rosacea. I was diagnosed with rosacea type 2 (ps&ps) about a year ago. I was prescribed tetracycline and azelaic acid, both of which helped, and there was a marked improvement with azelaic acid in particular from the first couple of applications (smoother skin). After 3 months I went off the tetracycline and had been using azelaic acid on and off since then in an effort to control the flare-ups until a bad flare-up occurred last October, when I came across posts on this forum about the zz cream.

    I started posting on a different thread in October and with the encouragement of people on that thread I started using zz cream 32 days ago (a big thank you to RedRecluse, Brady Barrows and Tom Busby among others for all your help and encouragement). I'm really grateful I went on the cream as although there have been some ups and downs, there have been some very positive results so far. I may at some point post photos of the progress. The redness has gone down considerably as have the bumps and the pustules on the forehead and my cheeks, which were the areas worst affected. Dryness is getting better as well - maybe I'm getting used to the zz cream. The flakiness has almost disappeared as has the itchiness (including in my eyebrows).

    Progress was very clear from the first couple of applications of the cream. I'm about to go on my second tub of cream and I think progress is slower now or perhaps it's to be expected as overall my face is about 75% better (it was particularly bad when I started on the cream). There are still bumps on the chin as well as along the jawline however, and a few pimples that have mostly already gone down on the neck area but the bumps remain. I know there's still a long way to go and I'll be as patient as possible because I can see that the cream works for me. The bumps and pustules on the chin, along the jawline and on the top of the neck have mostly appeared after using the zz cream, and I guess that's normal. However, these bumps are now quite slow to go down, and I wonder whether they're really going down at all. Is this normal? Am I doing anything wrong? Should I be doing anythinv else, too?

    To help matters from the inside as well, I'm going to cut down on carbs, which I haven't done so far as I'm rather apprehensive how to supplement my diet to make up for the lowered carbs - i.e. more protein? Any suggestions for a healthy diet that will boost my immune system and work best for rosacea? Also, any advice on a good probiotic/prebiotic and a good multivitamin supplement (in general as well as for rosacea)?

    I'll post another update soon. In the meantime, I'll be very grateful for any advice you may have to offer.

    Libby
    Wonderful to hear. Just keep going with ZZ Cream, and please do post some non-revealing pics.

    If you're cutting down carbs, you'll want to increase fats. However you ought to choose one or the other, and not both. If going completely low carb, then you should limit your intake of carbs to under 50g per day (try and replace all sugars with Xylitol or Sucralose). You can then eat as much fat and meat as you want (yoghurt, cheese, bacon, eggs), and your body will switch to ketosis, a state of using fat for energy instead of carbs. This will still be a controversial way of life in many parts of the world. Here in South Africa, 'LCHF' (low carb, high fat) is very popular after a renowned sports scientist publicised it.

    LCHF did help my 'type 2' Rosacea (this is the old classification system), but the root cause was still Demodex Mites, whether eating lots of carbs or not, which ZZ Cream controls.
    How I was cured from Demodectic / Demodex Rosacea (Types 1 & 2 & nearing 3), Seborrhoeic Dermatitis and Eczema

    Got a smartphone? Then please post a non-revealing pic of your face/skin to www.imgur.com, instead of using walls of text to describe it to us. It may be the best thing you've ever done!

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    Thank you ever so much for your help and encouragement, RedRecluse. It really helped getting me to go on the cream.

    I'm so glad to hear that you think I'm on the right track! So I take it that you don't think the current bumps are really a problem taking longer to go down compared to the ones when I first started on the cream. I think that the skin barrier is getting more resilient too, as my face doesn't react as badly as it used to do to anything that might act as a trigger - higher temperatures, spicy food, lukewarm shower, etc. And I've noticed that the redness subsides much faster than before. I'll definitely stick it out and stay patient and positive.

    As to the low-carb diet, I think I'll give it a try but rather than cutting carbs out altogether I'll just decrease the daily amount. I'm using the Aveeno Colloidal Oatmeal moisturiser once a day (mornings) and may alternate it with the Dermalex rosacea cream, which a colleague was telling me really helped her with rosacea. Do you by any chance know of any good probiotic/prebiotic and any multivitamin supplements that may help with rosacea?

    I'll be very grateful for any advice.

    Libby

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    Type 2 rosacea with pustules and papules is nearly always associated with SIBO and/or dysbiosis in general, irrespective of whether there is truly a demodex issue on the face.

    Some probiotics make matters worse.

    If I had to suggest one, I would recommend Reuteri DMS 17938.
    BioGaia make a few products containing this.
    Not all countries carry it and even if they do, some products are only available via practitioners.
    We have that problem here, but oddly you can buy the baby formula over the counter in pharmacies.
    It is exactly the same as the adult one, except it is in drops.

    You can also purchase these products on Amazon and iherb.

    Reuteri has antimicrobial properties. I used to take it years ago along with lactoferrin, as that is what was used in the study.

    I am currently testing it again, to see if it can help modulate my immune system. I have autoimmunity.

    As for prebiotics, I find food sources are the most beneficial. Legumes, in particular.
    However, if you have an intolerance for carbs due to SIBO at this point, you may want to address that first with the above method.

    Intermittent fasting also helps some people. Two or three times per week, go 16 hours without food and no food 4 hours prior to bed.

    I am glad to hear ZZ is helping you. I find it useful too and couldn't be without it, but it is just one tool in my toolbox.

    I probably should have posted this info in your other thread, seeing this is for topicals. Oh well. .....
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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