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    I had problems with my eyebrow hairs starting in 2013 - they started falling out; the area was red and itchy; there was scaly skin. I saw many specialists and had many different diagnoses, with this finally resulting in them agreeing it was Seb Derm. I found this forum an invaluable resource but people noted that most people with eyebrow problems post on the forum when they have problems and then are never heard from again so no one knows what worked, if anything, over the long term. So I thought I would write a quick post for those who may find this interesting giving my experience and advice from 5 years of the problem.

    My hair loss is a result of alopecia. It started in my eyebrows, losing them very slowly from the outside inwards. Over the years, however, this has also happened in other places like my beard and on my arms and legs, but not my head (yet). I thought that once I addressed the Seb Derm that the hair loss would stop. It hasn't. BUT... I know for sure that certain chemicals in skin care products accelerates my hair loss due to skin sensitivity. Alopecia is an auto-immune disease. I am not claiming that everyone who has eyebrow hair loss will have alopecia but this has been my reason. For some reason this disease just started in 2013, which also brought with it skin sensitivity on my face where I had never had a problem before. The steroids, the moisturisers, the face wash, anything I was putting on my face, medicated, or otherwise, was making it worse - my skin was getting redder and itchier and scalier. I learnt how to make my own products, I knew nearly all products on the market, and I was in touch with the producers of products who made special products for me after talking with me about my issues. None of this helped. In fact some of it made it worse. Without question the advice that I was given by many online and by specialists to use any kind of shampoo on my face was a serious error and I significantly harmed my skin. I see no reason why anyone needs to do that. There are better alternatives.

    My Seb Derm may or may not be linked to my hair loss. I don't know if they are linked. I know I don't have it now. After spending a lot on products and making my own Climbazole products I can safely say that the only thing that worked for me was dissolving climbazole into Capric/Caprylic Triglycerides (CCT) and using that on its own. Everything else that needed to be put into a product to make it stable, creamy, or whatever was a potential irritant. Not all were but a lot were, including all effective preservatives so I focussed on oils where they weren't necessary. Once you get rid of all the oils that could potentially make Seb Derm worse it doesn't leave you with much. Even MCT oil, which people on here say is great can be a problem. I learnt from some formulators that just because it says C8 and C10 fatty acids on the INCI doesn't meant there aren't C12 or 14 or 16 in there. Or, as I found out, I bought a product that did not have potassium sorbate on the INCI and I had a reaction like it did (it is a major trigger for my skin and it comes out like serious sun burn very quickly) so I sent it to a formulator who said he thought it had potassium sorbate in it, so I am now more careful about what people say is in a product. I found MCT oil was not as effective, or sometimes it made things worse periodically, than buying cosmetic grade CCT. I used MCT oil you can buy in health food shops for a year or so and there was a big difference to me when I switched to CCT from cosmetic ingredients company. The liquid seemed different and I found my skin was not as red or itchy and in fact this is now all I use and for a while now I can put some on my face morning and night and that is it. Before I was applying some product every hour or so trying to soothe the itching. After a year or so of using CCT it has definitely helped calm my skin.

    Using a water filter for the water I wash my face with has made a difference. I read somewhere about the chemicals in the water you use to wash your face with could be part of the issue and so use a water filter on the shower head. I was very skeptical but after years of getting no where I had nothing to lose. They don't cost much. I fitted on to the shower and one to the water taps I use to wash my face at night with. I believe this has helped. The water in my area isn't hard but I do get limescale in the kettle after a while so there are things in it that could possibly be an issue. Since I put these on my symptoms have definitely improved.

    So for me, not washing my face with any products, using only filtered water, and moisturing only with CCT, manages my sensitive skin and keeps the Seb Derm away. I haven't had Seb Derm return for well over a year now, which is the longest time since I got it. Climbazole in CCT oil I found to be the most effective, cheapest, and easiest way of dealing with Seb Derm. My hair falls out more slowly now. Sometimes not at all. But it is still thinning and disappearing overtime. This is part of the autoimmune response and something I have to live with. Thank you to everyone on here who helped me work things out. I am able to live life without worrying about my skin too much now - even though I do not like having alopecia, I can accept it. I hope some of this helps someone else.

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    Thanks for sharing and good to hear your Seb Derm is in remission

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    Hi donmattus, interesting that you mention washing with filtered water. I recently moved to Portugal and found that the water here is not filtered well, so have developed the habit of drinking bottled water instead, and I've even started washing my face with bottled water instead, also, since I found that washing with tap water here had left my skin feeling a bit drier and tighter. I'm curious to know if such a simple switch can make a difference with regard to my skin conditions, but since it's just been a couple of days it's too early to tell. I can however at least say that dryness is no longer an issue since I've started doing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sejon View Post
    Hi donmattus, interesting that you mention washing with filtered water. I recently moved to Portugal and found that the water here is not filtered well, so have developed the habit of drinking bottled water instead, and I've even started washing my face with bottled water instead, also, since I found that washing with tap water here had left my skin feeling a bit drier and tighter. I'm curious to know if such a simple switch can make a difference with regard to my skin conditions, but since it's just been a couple of days it's too early to tell. I can however at least say that dryness is no longer an issue since I've started doing this.
    Hi Sejon,

    I read that it was the chlorine in the water that caused skin irritation and thought what a load of rubbish. At the time I lived in a soft water area and so I didn't think there should be a problem. I even bought a chlorine test to see how much chlorine was in the water and it was minimal so I ruled the idea out. I have since moved a few miles away but we are served by a different water company with slightly harder water and I noticed my skin was a little drier and my sensitive skin was redder and itchier so I thought it was worth a go. There was no immediate difference but I did nothing else so that was the only change. Over time I have noticed a big improvement. Less reddening of the skin, less itching, less flaking, and it is much easier to manage. I don't think it is just about chlorine now, I think it is about the residual chemicals/minerals in the water that was irritating my skin. I also think that applying moisturiser simply then locked these close to my skin and this was causing the irritation. Consequently any attempt to address the issue was never going to work because my skin was already irritated and was easily triggered. My skin is still sensitive but it can tolerate things much better and so I don't get as many flare ups or periods of irritation. I don't think it will solve anyone's skin problems but it may help! It can't do any harm so always worth a go

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    Hi Don,

    Glad to hear youíre getting relief from Seb Derm. I have a few questions if you donít mind. Other than your eyebrows do you have Seb Derm in other locations on your face like side of nose, crease of nostrils, mustache area etc...

    What percentage of climbazole is in your formula?

    Do you apply this as a leave on or use it as a cleanser? Do you apply it to your entire face? Is it a spot treatment?

    Have you tried piroctone olamine, sulfur, zinc pyrithione, ketoconazole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRed77 View Post
    Hi Don,

    Glad to hear youíre getting relief from Seb Derm. I have a few questions if you donít mind. Other than your eyebrows do you have Seb Derm in other locations on your face like side of nose, crease of nostrils, mustache area etc...

    What percentage of climbazole is in your formula?

    Do you apply this as a leave on or use it as a cleanser? Do you apply it to your entire face? Is it a spot treatment?

    Have you tried piroctone olamine, sulfur, zinc pyrithione, ketoconazole?
    Hi MrRed,

    I had seb derm on the sides of my nose too and my mustache area.

    I made a 0.5% climbazole solution. If you search climazoil on here you will see posts from me and others on how we did it - such as https://rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosacea...-MCT-oil/page2

    I applied it as a moisturiser. I put it on and left it on all day. I only put it on the places I had seb derm but for short periods I don't see a problem with doing over your face - short periods I mean a few months. I used it for 3 - 6 months and then it was gone.

    I tried piroctone olamine, sulfur, zinc pyrithione, ketoconazole in other products but they had ingredients that caused irritation and reactions for me, which is why I ended up making climabazoil. I do have some piroctone olamine in powder form that I bought but I didn't experiment with it as the climbazole worked so it is just sitting there. I don't think piroctone olamine is as easy to dissolve in a substance that is non-irritating - you often have to use some kind of alcohol or other solvent which wouldn't work for me but it might for others.

    Hope that helps

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    Default I had seborrheic dermatitis on my eye brows too

    Thanks for sharing this information. The seborrheic dermatitis on my eyebrow wasn't as severe as those on my scalp. I found coconut oil to be helpful with the seborrhiec dermatitis on my eyebrow, helps to soften the flakes. This salve also helped a lot.
    https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/6495...eczema-natural
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