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    I'm posting this as a future reference for visitors to the Rosaceagroup forum so that they have a better idea of the efficacy of Low Level Light Therapy (LLLT) and more specifically Red Light Therapy (RLT). Remember, everyone reacts differently to treatments of their unique case of Rosacea and so this isn't a black and white situation. Instead people should see this as extra information to help them make a decision if they want to pursue using RLT or not. This post is also here so that I can perhaps get some feedback about my state and if you think that the RLT is working or not.

    Background: 21y caucasian male. Acne for ~7 years and rosacea for over 2.5 years. Rosacea symptoms: constant red face, capillaries on nose, random burning around nostrils, temperature and wind sensitive skin+eyes, cysts on eyelids and enduring eye discharge. Using Soolantra.

    RLT Device used: https://redlightman.com/product/red-light-device/ (also uses "amber" light)
    Wavelength peaks: 610nm, 630nm, 660nm, 680nm.

    Regimen
    : 2 sessions a day, 6mins per area* per session. Equates to 18 minutes per session and 36mins a day.
    Session 1-30 ---> Distance (D)**=10cm (+/- 2cm)
    Session 31-56 ---> D= 12.5cm (+/- 2cm)
    *Left cheek, right cheek, and front.
    ** Space between bulb and skin.

    My thoughts:
    I'm a month through the RLT (1000+ minutes) and so far I've not yet experienced anything truly remarkable. The skin on my cheeks feels slightly smoother maybe, but it's such a tiny difference that it might just as well be the placebo effect. Which is a bit of a let down at this point because I got the device mainly so that the red patch(es) would soften but it hasn't really done that. So I'm not sure if I should continue with the treatment or not. I've heard from other members on this forum that the results are much more promising at the 2 month mark, which makes me want to continue... On the other hand, the 30 day trial period ends this week and I could still get back most of what I paid, which is quite a bit.

    I've added a few photos numbered 1-5, with 1 being before I started and 5 being the most recent. Each are a week apart. I thought using flash would work best to make the image sharper and make the lighting identical but for some reason certain photos came out in a different hue than others... Probably due to the colour of the clothes but I kept forgetting to put on the same shirt every time so it alternates. Finally, I should add that the acne kinda masks the redness due to rosacea and vice-versa so one day I might have had bad acne and it looks like rosacea even though that's not the case. Also, my face from the sides is much worse so I didn't take pics of that.

    If I continue with the treatment then maybe I can update this thread every month, adding another set of pics (better lit) and with notes etc. I'm open to questions if you have any, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraceYourself View Post
    I'm posting this as a future reference for visitors to the Rosaceagroup forum so that they have a better idea of the efficacy of Low Level Light Therapy (LLLT) and more specifically Red Light Therapy (RLT). Remember, everyone reacts differently to treatments of their unique case of Rosacea and so this isn't a black and white situation. Instead people should see this as extra information to help them make a decision if they want to pursue using RLT or not. This post is also here so that I can perhaps get some feedback about my state and if you think that the RLT is working or not.

    Background: 21y caucasian male. Acne for ~7 years and rosacea for over 2.5 years. Rosacea symptoms: constant red face, capillaries on nose, random burning around nostrils, temperature and wind sensitive skin+eyes, cysts on eyelids and enduring eye discharge. Using Soolantra.

    RLT Device used: https://redlightman.com/product/red-light-device/ (also uses "amber" light)
    Wavelength peaks: 610nm, 630nm, 660nm, 680nm.

    Regimen
    : 2 sessions a day, 6mins per area* per session. Equates to 18 minutes per session and 36mins a day.
    Session 1-30 ---> Distance (D)**=10cm (+/- 2cm)
    Session 31-56 ---> D= 12.5cm (+/- 2cm)
    *Left cheek, right cheek, and front.
    ** Space between bulb and skin.

    My thoughts:
    I'm a month through the RLT (1000+ minutes) and so far I've not yet experienced anything truly remarkable. The skin on my cheeks feels slightly smoother maybe, but it's such a tiny difference that it might just as well be the placebo effect. Which is a bit of a let down at this point because I got the device mainly so that the red patch(es) would soften but it hasn't really done that. So I'm not sure if I should continue with the treatment or not. I've heard from other members on this forum that the results are much more promising at the 2 month mark, which makes me want to continue... On the other hand, the 30 day trial period ends this week and I could still get back most of what I paid, which is quite a bit.

    I've added a few photos numbered 1-5, with 1 being before I started and 5 being the most recent. Each are a week apart. I thought using flash would work best to make the image sharper and make the lighting identical but for some reason certain photos came out in a different hue than others... Probably due to the colour of the clothes but I kept forgetting to put on the same shirt every time so it alternates. Finally, I should add that the acne kinda masks the redness due to rosacea and vice-versa so one day I might have had bad acne and it looks like rosacea even though that's not the case. Also, my face from the sides is much worse so I didn't take pics of that.

    If I continue with the treatment then maybe I can update this thread every month, adding another set of pics (better lit) and with notes etc. I'm open to questions if you have any, of course.

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    I was just wondering have you been diagnosed with Seb derm? Your skin looks similar to mine in many ways and my first dermatologist said it was rosacea, however the second derm said I have more Seb derm/ facial psoriasis.

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    I don't think seb derm or psoriasis was ever talked about. My dermatologist only mentioned rosacea and acne. In fact I was surprised that he immediately called out the rosacea because they're usually conservative when diagnosing people and rosacea isn't commonplace.

    I have telangiectasia (the tiny broken capillaries) so my symptoms strongly point to rosacea. Unless I have rosacea and serb derm, which is doubtful.

    But have you had any luck treating what you think is seb derm and psoriasis?

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    No guts, no glory.

    I'm going to keep using it.

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    The redness is worse during the day and better at night compared to before. Can't say that it's a good or a bad thing. But at roughly 40 days in, the results are not what I had hoped for.

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    I'm still using the device from Redlightman. My regimen is the same (2 sessions a day, 6mins per area per session. Session 57-108 ---> D= 12.5cm (+/- 2cm) ) although I have been taking Vitamin D gel tabs and "legalon" for about 30 days. I might increase the space between me and the light since it's still too warm.

    As of this post, I've completed 108 sessions amounting to a total of 3888 minutes. That's 64.8h or 2.7 days.

    Photos: I've numbered the photos 6-9 with 6 being the next after 5 (see above photos) and 9 being the most recent, which was taken on 24 Dec 17. All photos are precisely one week apart.

    My thoughts: To be honest, still not much improvement regarding the inflammation. The broken capillaries - or telangiectasia as they're called here - haven't faded at all, but Redlightman did state that it wouldn't help that issue. Just wanted to say I can confirm it. Back to the inflammation, I think it has lowered my baseline a bit at night and I seem to have fewer 'terrible' days as I used to get. The device definitely hasn't done anything for my teary eyes though. Must of been ages ago, but I remember reading here that a member had higher tolerance for that once using their red/amber light. So I still get watery eyes when outside during the winter. My face's skin still goes red/purple too. For 40 days I hadn't gotten any new nose pain so I thought it was helping until it returned. Been a week with it so far. At least the pressure subsides momentarily after using it at night.

    I doubt many of you would care to know, but my acne hasn't been as explosive as in previous months. No idea if it is due to the light, the medication, or sheer dumb luck tbh. Acne scars still haven't faded, which is disappointing and is against what Redlightman promised it would aid. Especially after 2.7 days of therapy.

    So all in all, I'm not so sure that the red/amber light is going to end up providing worthy results for both my acne and my rosacea. Still planning to continue up until March and I will periodically give updates. Bye for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraceYourself View Post
    I'm posting this as a future reference for visitors to the Rosaceagroup forum so that they have a better idea of the efficacy of Low Level Light Therapy (LLLT) and more specifically Red Light Therapy (RLT). Remember, everyone reacts differently to treatments of their unique case of Rosacea and so this isn't a black and white situation. Instead people should see this as extra information to help them make a decision if they want to pursue using RLT or not. This post is also here so that I can perhaps get some feedback about my state and if you think that the RLT is working or not.

    Background: 21y caucasian male. Acne for ~7 years and rosacea for over 2.5 years. Rosacea symptoms: constant red face, capillaries on nose, random burning around nostrils, temperature and wind sensitive skin+eyes, cysts on eyelids and enduring eye discharge. Using Soolantra.

    RLT Device used: https://redlightman.com/product/red-light-device/ (also uses "amber" light)
    Wavelength peaks: 610nm, 630nm, 660nm, 680nm.

    Regimen
    : 2 sessions a day, 6mins per area* per session. Equates to 18 minutes per session and 36mins a day.
    Session 1-30 ---> Distance (D)**=10cm (+/- 2cm)
    Session 31-56 ---> D= 12.5cm (+/- 2cm)
    *Left cheek, right cheek, and front.
    ** Space between bulb and skin.

    My thoughts:
    I'm a month through the RLT (1000+ minutes) and so far I've not yet experienced anything truly remarkable. The skin on my cheeks feels slightly smoother maybe, but it's such a tiny difference that it might just as well be the placebo effect. Which is a bit of a let down at this point because I got the device mainly so that the red patch(es) would soften but it hasn't really done that. So I'm not sure if I should continue with the treatment or not. I've heard from other members on this forum that the results are much more promising at the 2 month mark, which makes me want to continue... On the other hand, the 30 day trial period ends this week and I could still get back most of what I paid, which is quite a bit.

    I've added a few photos numbered 1-5, with 1 being before I started and 5 being the most recent. Each are a week apart. I thought using flash would work best to make the image sharper and make the lighting identical but for some reason certain photos came out in a different hue than others... Probably due to the colour of the clothes but I kept forgetting to put on the same shirt every time so it alternates. Finally, I should add that the acne kinda masks the redness due to rosacea and vice-versa so one day I might have had bad acne and it looks like rosacea even though that's not the case. Also, my face from the sides is much worse so I didn't take pics of that.

    If I continue with the treatment then maybe I can update this thread every month, adding another set of pics (better lit) and with notes etc. I'm open to questions if you have any, of course.

    20171127_124155.jpg 20171127_124629.jpg 20171127_124713.jpg 20171127_124531.jpg 20171127_125016.jpg

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    Have you tried straight lemon juice (as in REAL LEMON) patted on your red areas and re-do it a couple of times, then let it dry before bed and redo in morning to help relieve the redness? May not work overnight, but might be worth a try. I use it and see an improvement in the itchy feeling and the redness. Read this on another site and started to try it. The red light is pricey and have not red great things yet. I have what appears to be almost allergy swelling on cheeks / nose. Hard to hide even with makeup! Nothing much seems to help so just easing the redness is major for me. Thank you so much for sharing the red light info. Hope this tiny idea my give you some help. Your skin is not any where near my redness. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimz View Post
    Have you tried straight lemon juice (as in REAL LEMON) patted on your red areas and re-do it a couple of times, then let it dry before bed and redo in morning to help relieve the redness? May not work overnight, but might be worth a try. I use it and see an improvement in the itchy feeling and the redness. Read this on another site and started to try it. The red light is pricey and have not red great things yet. I have what appears to be almost allergy swelling on cheeks / nose. Hard to hide even with makeup! Nothing much seems to help so just easing the redness is major for me. Thank you so much for sharing the red light info. Hope this tiny idea my give you some help. Your skin is not any where near my redness. Good luck.
    No I haven't yet tried lemon juice. But I can do a test patch later this week to see if my skin reacts positively or not. I'll post back as soon as I've tested it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BraceYourself View Post
    No I haven't yet tried lemon juice. But I can do a test patch later this week to see if my skin reacts positively or not. I'll post back as soon as I've tested it.
    Donít go in the sun after lemon juice! Itís like using vitamin c serum and the sun will burn your fac easily.
    I tried lemon ages ago but it just stings and burns my skin. Bit harsh

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