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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRecluse View Post
    You say that you have Subtype 2 Rosacea. 9/10 times this is caused by Demodex Mites. That is the likely cause of any flushing.

    If you "flush in the winter" only, then you need to clarify if you are talking about a time in your life pre-Subtype 2, or post Subtype 2. If pre-Subtype 2, then the cause is not Demodex Mites, in which case I cannot help you. With Subtype 2, you will flush all year round.
    When my rosacea first started, about three years ago, it began with night flushes (heat and redness in my cheeks) a few times a week during the winter. It was so random and sporadic, I didn't know what to make of it. I had not even heard of rosacea at the time. The flushing stopped in the spring and summer, but kicked up again as soon as the temperature dropped. Last fall/winter the acne started appearing and things went from mild to horrible.

    I think I made things worse last winter because during a particularly bad flushing epiosde, I went outside to shovel snow without any protection. It was windy and frigid but I just wanted my face to cool off. Stupid move, I know. Anyway, I don't think my cheeks ever forgave me for doing that, as I've hardly had any normal-skin days since.

    So I ~think~ I have an unfortunate combination of both rosacea subtypes (if that's even possible). I hardly flushed this summer and, thanks to Finacea, the acne has improved. My cheeks are almost constantly pink, though; something I'll probably just have to live with, but I'm worried about the coming winter. Dry air + indoor heating are major triggers and since my home is drafty, each room is a different temperature. My face has to constantly adapt, which induces flushing...which induces breakouts. I breakout about 78% of the time after a flushing episode, although there've been a few times I broke out without flushing. Before and during a flushing episode my cheeks will feel *tingly* - almost a pins & needles sensation, shortly after the heat starts and it feels as though someone is holding a lighter up to specific spots on my cheeks (usually where a zit will soon develop). If I sit in front of a small fan at the onset, I can sometimes prevent it from becoming worse.

    This is why I'm not sure ZZ cream would help, it's like I have a weird hybrid of rosacea types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sham View Post
    fyi... washing twice a day is kinda rough. You should only do it once.
    My skin looks its best after washing, it's calm and happy. In the winter I can sometimes get away with washing only at night, but I kind of love the process. I've been using bottled water for several months now, and of course gentle cleansers, so it's a huge improvement from when I used to scrub my skin with physical exfoliants and hard water. Although I do miss the days when I could get away with doing that. :-/

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    Hi Carly,

    Which gentle cleansers does your skin tolerate?
    I am having a hard time finding anything my skin will accept.

    Thx,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluedog View Post
    Hi Carly,

    Which gentle cleansers does your skin tolerate?
    I am having a hard time finding anything my skin will accept.

    Thx,
    Bluedog
    In the morning I use Avène's Gentle Cleansing Lotion. It says you can wipe it off with a tissue, but I splash it off with water just to be sure everything rinses off. https://www.dermstore.com/product_Ex...tion_43632.htm

    At night I use La Roche-Posay's Purifying Foaming Cream Cleanser. It's a bit pricey but you only need a small amount to make a nice foam, so it lasts a long time. (I should add that this one leaves a light film on my face, but it's never irritated my skin in any way.) https://www.dermstore.com/product_To...anser_1499.htm

    I hope that helps! Both brands have a ton of different products for various issues but everything is geared towards sensitive skin. :-)

    *Also, switching to bottled water has made a big difference in how reactive my skin is. My tap water is ridiculously hard. To save plastic and money, I usually refill several gallon bottles once a month (at the grocery store).

    I pour some water into a large, wide bowl and use it to get rid of most of the cleanser and also use a spray bottle to rinse off any residue. The only downfall to this method is not having warm water (to open the pores), but so far, so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carly1981 View Post
    When my rosacea first started, about three years ago, it began with night flushes (heat and redness in my cheeks) a few times a week during the winter. It was so random and sporadic, I didn't know what to make of it. I had not even heard of rosacea at the time. The flushing stopped in the spring and summer, but kicked up again as soon as the temperature dropped. Last fall/winter the acne started appearing and things went from mild to horrible.

    I think I made things worse last winter because during a particularly bad flushing epiosde, I went outside to shovel snow without any protection. It was windy and frigid but I just wanted my face to cool off. Stupid move, I know. Anyway, I don't think my cheeks ever forgave me for doing that, as I've hardly had any normal-skin days since.

    So I ~think~ I have an unfortunate combination of both rosacea subtypes (if that's even possible). I hardly flushed this summer and, thanks to Finacea, the acne has improved. My cheeks are almost constantly pink, though; something I'll probably just have to live with, but I'm worried about the coming winter. Dry air + indoor heating are major triggers and since my home is drafty, each room is a different temperature. My face has to constantly adapt, which induces flushing...which induces breakouts. I breakout about 78% of the time after a flushing episode, although there've been a few times I broke out without flushing. Before and during a flushing episode my cheeks will feel *tingly* - almost a pins & needles sensation, shortly after the heat starts and it feels as though someone is holding a lighter up to specific spots on my cheeks (usually where a zit will soon develop). If I sit in front of a small fan at the onset, I can sometimes prevent it from becoming worse.

    This is why I'm not sure ZZ cream would help, it's like I have a weird hybrid of rosacea types.


    What you describe totally sounds like demodex to me. I have subtype 1 too, but all the symptoms you mention above (pins and needles, burning, pustules after a flush, etc) have dramatically decreased since Soolantra.

    I definitely don't flush as much and when I do, I never breakout in pustules anymore.

    I'd just go for it, girl! You have nothing to lose! What if you could be free from this horrible cycle of flushing and pustules in less than 3 months (or sooner)??? I am rooting for you to kick some demodex *ss!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissM View Post
    What you describe totally sounds like demodex to me. I have subtype 1 too, but all the symptoms you mention above (pins and needles, burning, pustules after a flush, etc) have dramatically decreased since Soolantra.

    I definitely don't flush as much and when I do, I never breakout in pustules anymore.

    I'd just go for it, girl! You have nothing to lose! What if you could be free from this horrible cycle of flushing and pustules in less than 3 months (or sooner)??? I am rooting for you to kick some demodex *ss!
    I didn't know you could have both, or that demodex could start out as type 1. I'm relieved!!
    MissM, I think you've convinced me. xx

    Just to be sure: since I can't get Soolantra, is ZZ cream pretty much the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carly1981 View Post
    I didn't know you could have both, or that demodex could start out as type 1. I'm relieved!!
    MissM, I think you've convinced me. xx

    Just to be sure: since I can't get Soolantra, is ZZ cream pretty much the same?
    Soolantra contains Ivermectin which is used by vets to kill parasites on animals.

    ZZ Cream uses Zinc Oxide and Sublimed Sulfur/Sulphur. Far more natural, and really soothing on the skin.

    So no, it's not the same, but it is better. All the important info you need is in my thread.
    How I was cured from Demodectic / Demodex Rosacea (Types 1 & 2 & nearing 3), Seborrhoeic Dermatitis and Eczema

    Got a smartphone? Then please post a non-revealing pic of your face/skin to www.imgur.com, instead of using walls of text to describe it to us. It may be the best thing you've ever done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRecluse View Post
    Soolantra contains Ivermectin which is used by vets to kill parasites on animals.

    ZZ Cream uses Zinc Oxide and Sublimed Sulfur/Sulphur. Far more natural, and really soothing on the skin.

    So no, it's not the same, but it is better. All the important info you need is in my thread.
    yaaa, that's called a false equivalency. I really appreciate that you have found relief with zinc, but your constant and insistent advocacy is approaching aluminum siding salesman proportions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rascali View Post
    yaaa, that's called a false equivalency. I really appreciate that you have found relief with zinc, but your constant and insistent advocacy is approaching aluminum siding salesman proportions...
    Before you denigrate an incredible product such as by referring to it as "zinc", rather place me on ignore. A product - let alone the condition of Demodectic Rosacea - which most people have not heard of, or are sceptical of once they've heard of it (like I was about ZZ Cream and Demodex Mites). There are many advocates for it here who prefer it over Soolantra/Ivermectin. Many positive reviews about it online - as many as there are for Soolantra, which is not available in many countries, like mine. And if it was, it would be four times the price of ZZ Cream. Bet you never thought about that. Nor about not everyone having insurance/medical aid - did you even read this thread about the OP not being able to afford Soolantra? Or that the OP has been struggling for months and is sceptical about Demodex Mites/Soolantra/ZZ Cream, and has already received tons of repetitive advice over numerous threads? And lastly, I bet you never thought about Ivermectin and Cannabis (your concoction of choice) being illegal/not OTC in many countries...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRecluse View Post
    Soolantra contains Ivermectin which is used by vets to kill parasites on animals.

    ZZ Cream uses Zinc Oxide and Sublimed Sulfur/Sulphur. Far more natural, and really soothing on the skin.

    So no, it's not the same, but it is better. All the important info you need is in my thread.
    Thanks, RR. The fact that ZZ cream is not filled with chemicals makes my hippie, granola-loving heart feel better. : ) I just wonder why it's not sold everywhere since you don't need an Rx. I'm worried that, years from now, something will come out saying that it's harmful or has latent side-effects.

    I know it seems like I'm being stubborn about this, and I don't intend to come off that way. I've always been very mindful about what I put in (and on) my body, so I have to be 110% certain that something is safe before using it. I also overthink. Everything. lol

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