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    Angry URGENT help please, I've never woken up with it this bad. Desperate! (w/ pics)

    PLEASE NOTE: The below pictures show a severe Demodex die-off after pausing the use of tea tree oil (TTO) with moisturiser for 3 weeks, and then resuming it again, causing this Demodex die-off. My use of ZZ Cream began after this initial die-off.

    For pictures of my normal look before using ZZ Cream, please see HERE.

    Please follow the thread for my progress which eventually led to my being cured.


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    Hi all

    Apologies for the underlining, I know some of you don't have time to read my brief story.

    29 year old fair-skinned male here. I've struggled with pustular rosacea for 3 - 4 years now. I was on Tetralysal antibiotics for two years which helped (but always left me quite red). I believe it destroyed my gut health which has led to seborrheic dermatitis, or pustular seborrheic dermatitis, or a type of psoriasis. Due to my associated depression, I've not been out much over the years, and I ate a lot of fast food on an ongoing basis for 2 - 3 years. I believe this has also impaired my gut health, which has lowered my immune system.



    About 1.5 years ago I found an excellent moisturiser, which helped relieve some of the symptoms. I then learnt about tea tree oil, and began mixing it with the moisturiser. This was a godsend, and it allowed me to control my issue and still lead a somewhat normal life like being able to do my work commitments. It led me to believing that my problem was due to Demodex mites.

    BEFORE USING TEA TREE OIL:





    About 6 months ago I began getting an almost permanent reddened patch in my moustache area, which would then peel two days after shaving. For at least 2 years, I would get a similar red patch if I hadn't shaved for about 4 days, and especially if I had sweated. There were no pustules. I then began getting pustules on my chin. My chin has now turned into a similar thing that I have in my moustache area. I believe this to be pustular seborrheic dermatitis.

    It then moved to my nose. Pustules and scaliness. As well as to the sides of the bridge of my nose under my eyes.

    I found that high sugar and high carb meals would worsen things. Protopic/Tacrolimus fixes my problem, but I don't want to use it.

    We recently had a number of public holidays where I was able to take time off work. I decided I'd had enough and that it was time for change. I researched a ton and began trying different methods. According to many, moisturiser could have been feeding my seb derm (which is known to be a yeast infection). I decided to, while I had these holidays, try and forgo my moisturiser and tea tree oil regimen.

    It worked well for a week, but then it all started getting worse. I decided to keep going with it in order to see if I could work through this bad stage. In conjunction with leaving out moisturiser and TTO, I went onto probiotics, as well as colloidal silver sprayed on my face several times a day. I have been eating clean for two weeks now, no carbs, some meat, avo with lemon juice and salt and pepper, some tinned tuna & mayo. No fast food.

    My condition was so bad yesterday, that I decided I have to go back to moisturising and TTO, in conjunction with probiotics, colloidal silver, as well as omega 3/6/9 capsules. I went to bed last night and it looked like there was some relief. This morning I woke up and I have never looked so bad - redness and pustules everywhere.

    I am absolutely desperate now. In case this is related to dust or Demodex or bed bugs, I've just spent $500 on a new vacuum machine. I'm about to buy a new bed, pillows and bedding. I am on the verge of fumigating my room. I feel helpless and I am running out of options.

    TLDR:

    I believe that the lack of moisturiser caused a break down in my skin's barrier which has led to this, which I now need to build up again.

    Or, it could be the TTO drawing out all the infection?

    Please let me have your thoughts? Do you think there is sense to what my suspicions are? Is it seb derm?

    I am so depressed and rock bottom that I can barely feel anything anymore.

    Monday:



    Today:

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    Hello RedRecluse

    I'm so sorry you have to go through this. I know from past experience that these horrible rashes can make you feel really depressed.

    Have you, or your doctor, considered your skin complaint may be caused by contact dermatitis? The fact it improves by using an immunosuppressive drug suggests this might be the case. The only way to find out if you are allergic to certain substances is to have a skin patch test. You would have to be referred to a specialist unit, but I would highly recommend this course of action.

    Sally

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    You will find many contradictions about remedies that are suppose to help but have the opposite effect, and at times the same threatments that used to help start damaging instead.

    Look at this from the perspective of a surplus or deficit from the body.Weather it be a lack of [vitamins,minerals,water, carbs,protein (moisture on skin) to much of a good thing will backfire.A general healthy balance is needed in all areas that is related to your skin

    in your case the moisturizer was an excess of what it needed, or containing irritating ingredients.I would also criticize your healthy diet.A diet low in carbs can't be good (eat potatoes and oatmeal for safe base ground) Also spices(like pepper) hot drinks and sodas are not recommended

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    To me it looks like your skin itself is healthy and using something harsh like TTO almost guarantees a worsening reaction.

    What happens if you put your hand on a hot stove?You get burned!!!

    Since you have been using moisturizers for a long time then also consider that your skin gets addicted to the fluid while irritating it beneath.

    While application seems to aliveate the symptoms...Its like building a volcano that will eventually erupt violently underneath

    On top what may still easily be a trigger may be your diet.You was right to cut out sugars and carbs but you are going to need healthy carbs.Also vegs and fruits to avoid all vitamin deficiencies


    exercise inself is highly beneficial aswell

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    It is possible to have a reaction to tea tree oil, and your skin may be more sensitive to it now than when you used to use it. I've found the best thing to mix tea tree oil (as you should never put it on without diluting it) is almond oil. So at least 4 parts almond oil to 1 part tea tree oil to begin with. Sometimes the demodex mites do also seem to make the skin 'get worse before it gets better' when treating demodex mites with tea tree oil, but given your fairly strong reaction after putting tea tree oil on I'd be very cautious about using it. At least give yourself 5-7 days before trying it again and try it in a very diluted form. If you had the same reaction again it might be worth just avoiding tea tree oil after that. There are some other things you can use to treat demodex mites (e.g. Soolantra cream). In fact, if I was you I'd try Soolantra cream at least until your skin has healed again rather than tea tree oil. Soolantra cream is much gentler on the skin.

    As your skin is currently so sensitive, you might find avoiding getting tap water on your face (especially hot shower water) helpful. Some people use filtered water or mineral water to wash their face instead. Hot showers are very irritating to the skin. I only take a bath and haven't taken showers in years. I don't put my head under the bath water, but instead wash my face with mineral water and my hair in the sink using the shower head without water touching the face.

    I think the dietary link you've noticed is important. Avoiding gluten, wheat, dairy and grains is likely to be helpful to your recovery.

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    Hello all

    Thank you ever so much for your replies. They truly mean a lot, and it gives me relief having knowledgeable people to talk to. Dermatologists have been useless and only prescribe Tetralysal and Protopic, treating the symptom and not the cause, so I value your experience and all other anecdotal information/evidence which 'the professionals' don't have a clue about.

    I managed to get through the day by not interacting with anyone. My nerves are shot.

    I would love to hear from others what exactly it is they think I'm suffering from. Sally suggested contact dermatitis.

    I want to know what the heck you think it is based on all your and others' experience?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sally View Post
    Hello RedRecluse

    I'm so sorry you have to go through this. I know from past experience that these horrible rashes can make you feel really depressed.

    Have you, or your doctor, considered your skin complaint may be caused by contact dermatitis? The fact it improves by using an immunosuppressive drug suggests this might be the case. The only way to find out if you are allergic to certain substances is to have a skin patch test. You would have to be referred to a specialist unit, but I would highly recommend this course of action.

    Sally
    Thanks, Sally. I will stay away from anti depressants, etc.

    No, I haven't considered that, and it was never suggested by my two dermatologists. Their synopsis was basically that I have rosacea and that I need to live with it and manage it. I accepted that for a long time, but then I became convinced that I had something else, maybe with partial rosacea.

    Contact dermatitis could very well be what it is. Interestingly enough, last night I used a different pillow. I'm wondering if that's what has caused this reaction? Either the material in the pillow, or perhaps bed bugs or dust mites? Or Demodex mites? Or some or other irritant in some of my pillows? I must be honest, I have never taken such great care of my bedding. My pillows are about two years old and have never been washed. It's only the pillow cases that get changed every 1.5 - 2 weeks. Could I be onto something here? I'm considering washing two of them today, then more over the weekend. I think I'll add some TTO to the wash?

    Quote Originally Posted by Genetic_Limit View Post
    You will find many contradictions about remedies that are suppose to help but have the opposite effect, and at times the same threatments that used to help start damaging instead.

    Look at this from the perspective of a surplus or deficit from the body.Weather it be a lack of [vitamins,minerals,water, carbs,protein (moisture on skin) to much of a good thing will backfire.A general healthy balance is needed in all areas that is related to your skin

    in your case the moisturizer was an excess of what it needed, or containing irritating ingredients.I would also criticize your healthy diet.A diet low in carbs can't be good (eat potatoes and oatmeal for safe base ground) Also spices(like pepper) hot drinks and sodas are not recommended
    I agree that the moisturiser was too much. I was using moisturiser mixed with TTO twice a day. If going back now to using moisturiser and TTO, I might just use it once a week. Or perhaps after shaving every 4 days. What do you think?

    I will try skipping out pepper, I did have quite a bit last night on my avo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Genetic_Limit View Post
    To me it looks like your skin itself is healthy and using something harsh like TTO almost guarantees a worsening reaction.

    What happens if you put your hand on a hot stove?You get burned!!!

    Since you have been using moisturizers for a long time then also consider that your skin gets addicted to the fluid while irritating it beneath.

    While application seems to aliveate the symptoms...Its like building a volcano that will eventually erupt violently underneath

    On top what may still easily be a trigger may be your diet.You was right to cut out sugars and carbs but you are going to need healthy carbs.Also vegs and fruits to avoid all vitamin deficiencies


    exercise inself is highly beneficial aswell
    My understanding is that TTO is what saved me about a year ago, at least it seems that way. I used to use moisturiser only, which was not fully effective. When I started mixing a drop of it (high quality Thursday Plantation brand) into my moisturiser in my hand, I was able to control the P&Ps to 95%. I would use roughly 1 part TTO to 10 parts or more moisturiser which seems to be a common ratio. It would tingle slightly at times like after shaving, but it never felt like it was burning. And because it controlled my P&Ps, I feel that it worked for me.

    I believe the moisturiser helped somewhat by building a barrier against irritants, and that the introduction of TTO controlled whatever is causing the reaction, be it Demodex mites, yeast, bed bugs, dust mites, etc.

    Unfortunately I've been having to avoid fruits. Bananas in particular seem to make me react with P&Ps. And cranberries. Although I'm not sure if I was just having too much fruit (I was having fruit recently in smoothies which were quite sweet).

    Then on the other hand, I can often eat sugary foods and get away with no P&Ps. So I'm not quite sure if it is indeed sugar that affects me. I suspect it is certain carbs and sugar though, as mentioned.

    Your thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by antwantsclear View Post
    It is possible to have a reaction to tea tree oil, and your skin may be more sensitive to it now than when you used to use it. I've found the best thing to mix tea tree oil (as you should never put it on without diluting it) is almond oil. So at least 4 parts almond oil to 1 part tea tree oil to begin with. Sometimes the demodex mites do also seem to make the skin 'get worse before it gets better' when treating demodex mites with tea tree oil, but given your fairly strong reaction after putting tea tree oil on I'd be very cautious about using it. At least give yourself 5-7 days before trying it again and try it in a very diluted form. If you had the same reaction again it might be worth just avoiding tea tree oil after that. There are some other things you can use to treat demodex mites (e.g. Soolantra cream). In fact, if I was you I'd try Soolantra cream at least until your skin has healed again rather than tea tree oil. Soolantra cream is much gentler on the skin.

    As your skin is currently so sensitive, you might find avoiding getting tap water on your face (especially hot shower water) helpful. Some people use filtered water or mineral water to wash their face instead. Hot showers are very irritating to the skin. I only take a bath and haven't taken showers in years. I don't put my head under the bath water, but instead wash my face with mineral water and my hair in the sink using the shower head without water touching the face.

    I think the dietary link you've noticed is important. Avoiding gluten, wheat, dairy and grains is likely to be helpful to your recovery.
    I think I have had a reaction, due to my skin being dry after having not used moisturiser for two weeks, after having used it for 2 years. As mentioned above, I'd been mixing about 1 part TTO with about 10 parts moisturiser for about a year. I can try the almond oil route, although because I'm worried about seb derm, I'm concerned that certain oils could be feeding the yeast, if that is indeed what I have. I've researched coconut oil which can help but can also make things worse because it is a certain oil (fatty?) that feeds yeast.

    As part of my reaction and all the pustules, I have a feeling that the TTO has 'drawn out' all the infections. Does this make sense at all? I feel like I need to continue with the TTO. But I will give it a rest for a day or three and use less next time.

    I am so confused. On the one hand it seems like I need to revert back to using moisturiser and TTO. On the other hand, based on my seb derm research, I need to stop using moisturiser, and let me skin and immune system improve on their own. I gave it two weeks, but to no avail. But it could be because of a weakened skin barrier over these two weeks with irritants infiltrating easier than when I was moisturising?

    Unfortunately we can't get Soolantra here, I was very keen when I read about it a while back. That's if I am suffering from Demodex mites?

    I don't know if I could avoid tap water. We do have very good tap water here. I'm not too sure it's an issue. I will try using cooler water though on my face. Well done for keeping to your washing regimen.

    I will definitely keep avoiding those foods as best I can.

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    P.S. I've also developed near permanent what seems like eczema behind my ears. With one or two pustules on my ear lobes on the odd occasion. Again, Protopic resolves the problem.

    Any ideas? Is there a link? Seb derm? Contact derm?

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    When, how did it begin to get as bad as it is monday?

    it could be an early stage of seborhea dermatitis.Do you have scalp dandruff?

    Also what infection is the tea tree oil suppose to pull out?It does look like something is spreading on skin.

    The high degree of redness i believe is caused by the reaction of tea tree oil and moisturizers

    Why do you moisturizers to begin with?Dry skin?It doesn't look like from the picture

    If you have seborhea(can be)than you cant use the vast majority of store moisturizers.

    Do not use almond and coconut oil.While I seen articles and even first google answer is to use coconut oil.It irritates the skin further and feeds the seborhhea mallazea yeast ( which i do not yet see) but the redness itself resembles seborhhea

    You also seem to pick and touch your face a lot?It spreads the pustules around?Anyway dont touch your face if you do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genetic_Limit View Post
    When, how did it begin to get as bad as it is monday?

    it could be an early stage of seborhea dermatitis.Do you have scalp dandruff?

    Also what infection is the tea tree oil suppose to pull out?It does look like something is spreading on skin.

    The high degree of redness i believe is caused by the reaction of tea tree oil and moisturizers

    Why do you moisturizers to begin with?Dry skin?It doesn't look like from the picture

    If you have seborhea(can be)than you cant use the vast majority of store moisturizers.

    Do not use almond and coconut oil.While I seen articles and even first google answer is to use coconut oil.It irritates the skin further and feeds the seborhhea mallazea yeast ( which i do not yet see) but the redness itself resembles seborhhea

    You also seem to pick and touch your face a lot?It spreads the pustules around?Anyway dont touch your face if you do
    I exfoliated on Saturday which is probably the main reason as to why Monday was bad. My skin was bad on Friday and Saturday, and I felt desperate, so I went for exfoliator with a small amount of lactic acid. My only guess is that trying to give up moisturiser and TTO eventually took its toll, leading to how my skin was on Friday/Saturday, leading me to exfoliate. I've been eating 95% clean for the past 2 weeks, so I really don't know. I didn't do any abnormal activity, etc. Also, my skin seems to go through phases of being bad and then OK, for 2 - 3 years. As mentioned, I could control it with moisturiser and TTO to a large degree. For about a week after stopping moisturiser and TTO, my skin looked good. Then, it started looking bad (Friday/Saturday). I also had to use Protopic in a few spots. I'm guessing that the barrier that moisturiser and TTO gave me broke down from not using it, and then in conjunction with using Protopic some days before, and the exfoliation, it made it look like it did on Monday. Oh, I also shaved on Saturday prematurely. What I mean is that I always wait 4 - 5 days to shave. When I shaved on Saturday, after exfoliating, it was day 3.

    I'm not sure, but once the pustules have healed, my skin seems to clear for a while.

    I agree, the redness is likely due to the moisturiser and TTO.

    I moisturised because it was evident that stopping moisturiser and TTO for two weeks was not working for me. I felt that I need to go back to my old routine, using moisturiser and TTO to manage my problem. Yes, my skin did feel dry. It was slightly flaky in parts.

    I use a quality/expensive moisturiser, it's the only one that has worked for me. I tried Bioderma which did not do anything for me. https://www.dermalex.co.za/product/d...-rosacea-cream

    OK, I won't use those oils.

    Complicated, isn't it? I'm running out of options. I may have to moisturise tonight and add Protopic to it.

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    Can you believe this? It's so bad.

    I'm not a religious person but I pray that it will be better tomorrow. I will have to take off work.

    Below you can see pics of my skin in 1) February 2017 and 2) June 2016. Both of these pics were while I was eating fast food almost daily. High in bad carbs, bad oils, but also not too much sugar.








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