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    Default Anyone flush 3-4 hours after exercise?

    Hi everyone,

    First I just want to say I'm really grateful this forum exists in helping ppl how to deal with this disease!

    I am sub 1, cyclic flusher, starting in the afternoon, peaking in the evening, having to sleep upright, all that jazz. I am most concerned with the burning pain. Ears/cheeks are the worst, but often my arms are affected as well as my right hand.

    Anyway, if I exercise, I don't flush (just a tad pink, maybe, nothing abnormal). But I flush without fail 3-4 hours later, this painful volcanic flushing that lasts ~1 hour. Flushing is best 3-4 hours after a 30 min jog, and worst when exercise involves bike / ellyptical with high resistance.

    Does anyone else have this? (Or have a theory about this.)

    Actually, this exercise phenomenon (which started a couple years ago) has preceded my cyclic flushing phenomenon (started 1 year ago).

    Thanks for the help,
    Lizzy

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    This happens with basically everyone with rosacea and kprf, but the key is to do Low Intensity exercises, and try not to raise your heart rate too much, I think that medium-high intensity exercises raise up your histamine levels, i guess thats the reason why its gives us more inflamation, but low intensity and controlling your heart rate actually helps with the redness and flushing a lot, so just control it, do some pauses, breath, and dont let your heart speed up too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heizen View Post
    This happens with basically everyone with rosacea and kprf, but the key is to do Low Intensity exercises, and try not to raise your heart rate too much, I think that medium-high intensity exercises raise up your histamine levels, i guess thats the reason why its gives us more inflamation, but low intensity and controlling your heart rate actually helps with the redness and flushing a lot, so just control it, do some pauses, breath, and dont let your heart speed up too much.
    Oh. I guess I was just wondering why I would START flushing volcanically 3-4 hours later, but be fine up til then and be fine during exercise. I guess I haven't found anyone else with that particular issue (though I know flushing during exercise is quite common). But maybe I'm mistaken and it's quite common.
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    What you describe sounds to me like your body is out of energy and heating up as it naturally does to settle down. Try eating more throughout the day if you're not already doing so...food has helped me avoid the evening flush so maybe it will help with the 3-4 hour post workout flush. As an example everyday I eat a bowl of garlic quinoa mid morning a couple hours before lunch, and then I eat plain oatmeal mid afternoon a few hours before dinner, and all this gives my body enough energy throughout the day to prevent an evening flush, even on days when I exercise.. When I don't do this I will be more prone to an evening flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVokey View Post
    What you describe sounds to me like your body is out of energy and heating up as it naturally does to settle down. Try eating more throughout the day if you're not already doing so...food has helped me avoid the evening flush so maybe it will help with the 3-4 hour post workout flush. As an example everyday I eat a bowl of garlic quinoa mid morning a couple hours before lunch, and then I eat plain oatmeal mid afternoon a few hours before dinner, and all this gives my body enough energy throughout the day to prevent an evening flush, even on days when I exercise.. When I don't do this I will be more prone to an evening flush.
    Interesting BVokey .... Thanks so much for the input, really appreciate it, I'll give something like that a try.

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    I am an avid weight lifter and having this condition certainly comes with its challenges post work out. For me, I am flush for many hours yes, and much like everyone peaking in redness by the evening. For me, I have to take my time after my work out. I don't just run into a tepid shower, moisturize and drive home. I do an extended cool down walk on the treadmill, while always drinking my water. Once I am in the locker room, I eat my post work out snack. Then, I have a quick tepid shower and I moisturize. I use a little bit more moisturizer than normal, and I take my time applying it. Rubbing softly in concentric circles, maybe 1 minute on the forehead, and 1 min each on cheeks. No pressure, just letting the cream and 2 fingers do the work.

    That seems to help a bit with the burning sensation as well as flushing. Your still going to flush and burn, its part of our problem, but I find that helps.

    Maybe its about finding what works for you, a routine, as it were.

    Oh, I also added a vegetable omelette to my breakfast, which is my pre work out meal. Before I just had a heavy bran cereal with a bit of skim milk. Adding the protein + light carb could be helping me, but I of course don't have any scientific data to prove thats the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazek View Post
    I am an avid weight lifter and having this condition certainly comes with its challenges post work out. For me, I am flush for many hours yes, and much like everyone peaking in redness by the evening. For me, I have to take my time after my work out. I don't just run into a tepid shower, moisturize and drive home. I do an extended cool down walk on the treadmill, while always drinking my water. Once I am in the locker room, I eat my post work out snack. Then, I have a quick tepid shower and I moisturize. I use a little bit more moisturizer than normal, and I take my time applying it. Rubbing softly in concentric circles, maybe 1 minute on the forehead, and 1 min each on cheeks. No pressure, just letting the cream and 2 fingers do the work.

    That seems to help a bit with the burning sensation as well as flushing. Your still going to flush and burn, its part of our problem, but I find that helps.

    Maybe its about finding what works for you, a routine, as it were.

    Oh, I also added a vegetable omelette to my breakfast, which is my pre work out meal. Before I just had a heavy bran cereal with a bit of skim milk. Adding the protein + light carb could be helping me, but I of course don't have any scientific data to prove thats the case.

    Thanks for the suggestions, Gazek. Many good points - it only recently dawned on me that I should do a decent cool down lol :p easy to shrug it off esp. when I'm in a rush!

    And proper fuel post-workout can only help I'm sure. Probably goes along with what Bvokey said before you - interestingly enough, I had a 10-year-ish off/on eating disorder (mostly anorexia) in my teens/twenties, and though I've been eating-disorder free the past few years, flushing came full force ~1 year ago. I think the severity of my flushing and the damage I did to my body, are related for sure.

    I could never lift weights though - best things to minimize the post-exercise flushing for me are walking / jogging. I used to lift weights occasionally and it was a nightmare for my face, lol.

    Thanks for the response, best of luck to you,

    Lizzy

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    Hi everyone,

    Has anyone been able to continue their exercise routine and still avoid the bad cardio flushes during exercise?

    Everytime I do go to the gym, I am able to do less and less without a flush out, despite using Avene thermal spray on my face and having a fan on me.
    I have even moved to the rowing machine as it creates its own sort of fan while exercising.
    I was a spin class addict just a few months ago. Had to ditch that and then the elliptical.
    Am thinking of taking a beta blocker pre-exercise (oked with the GP) to see if that helps.
    It has been too windy and cold for outdoor walking and I avoid the pool because of the chlorine.
    Anyone found any creative ways to continue cardio without it triggering a flush?

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    Bluedog, same problem here! I am also out of ideas how to exercise so I just don't do it at all!
    I miss it though and am waiting for spring to really set in so I can just go outside and waddle around for houuuurs

    Lastly though, sometimes I felt like if you want to exercise without flush, you've got to warm up really good first (but carefully, without getting red) so that your muscles start needing more blood. Then this blood goes away to your muscles in need and there's nothing really left for the face so then you can start going harder!

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    In case anyone faces this issue later and happens upon this thread -

    I believe that during INTENSE exercise (sometimes I would exercise so hard I would vomit after .. embarrassing to say that) I would experience very pale skin, something like raynaud's / cyanosis. Eg, immediately after (intense) exercise, I remember I would have blue-ish lips for a while. This was the worst when I was too thin for my height and on estrogen/progesterone birth control (I believe thinness and high estrogen birth control are linked to raynaud's).

    I believe the intense flushing/burning I experienced 3-4 hours post-INTENSE exercise was the blood finally being able to flow back to the skin, basically something like the last phase of raynaud's, which is known to cause burning.

    INTENSE exercise is different from MODERATE exercise for me, in which I look either fine / naturally rosy during exercise and nothing weird happens 3-4 hours after...

    I echo what Elegant said above - in that a slow warmup (and slow cooldown) can be helpful to minimize drastic changes + vasospasm. (The definition of INTENSE exercise is probably individual)

    In fact, I think this idea of vasodilation/burning reflexively following a period of vasoconstriction/vasospasm, could be the root of MOST of my rosacea problems (including the evening nose flush phenomenon). I have been trialling (1) viagra (ie sildenafil) for the past few weeks (taken 3x/ day since it is short-acting) and I believe it is helping me, by improving the my microcirculation base-line (there was some initial flushing at first, but interestingly MINIMAL PAIN). I also have been having good results with (2) red light therapy (with or without amber light) which I believe also improves microcirculation, as well as (3) far infrared saunas (I seem to start sweating sooner each time with less and less blushing). I think the sildenafil might be helping me have "good" reactions to the infrared sauna.

    What Bvokey said above would make sense, in that I think low-carb diets can be linked to raynaud's (not sure if there is any scientific paper on this) and he found having carb-y snacks to be helpful (from what I gather)

    I don't think these ideas apply to everyone, but I do think it applies to some ppl. In hindsight I think a better word for my "flushing" would be "spasming".

    Best wishes to everyone, maybe I'll update the forum again to see if vasodilation approaches continue to help me. For the moment, I'm hopeful, and it's a scary thing to feel ...

    Lizzy

    EDIT - I continue to do my botox treatments, and I'm unsure that ppl really know how they help exactly. Interestingly, botox can be used for cold hand syndrome, by relaxing the muscles, encouraging less constriction of the surrounding blood vessels, and more uniform blood flow.
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