7th April 2017 10:23 AM
I posted something yet it seems to be going through moderation?
Anyway, brief recap with questions:
- Skin was very clear after about 10 days of treatment, redness gone on face except eyelids and little on forehead and side of nose. Flaking and dryness mostly gone. Little intetrigo on neck
- Stopped applying 'climbazoil' for 2-3 days as had friends over so was out drinking and having late nights a lot.
- Now, after reapplying again I have gone through a second 'flare'. Is this normal? Skin is very flaky, dry, red, tight and sensitive. Is this a second 'die off' reaction as Malassezia has grown back or normal healing process?
- Today, almost back to normal again. Skin very flakey but redness subsiding.
- Will try washing glass with alchohol. Also legs to your theory Don as I live in Europe where it's around 16c at the minute.
- Going to get some emulsifier, as it's too time consuming to heat the oil twice a day.
9th April 2017 07:27 AM
Another 5 days and the flare has cleared!
Still very flakey on eyelids, eyebrows, side of nose and moustache, but not something that isn't hidden after showering and moisturising!
Are these cycles of flaring and healing usual?
9th April 2017 07:42 AM
Yes, you'll see dormant colonies become visible as you use a good antifungal. Apparently, about 90% of fungal colonies are dormant at any given time, and use this adaptation to evade the body's immune system. When you use an antifungal like climbazole, they become active and/or die, and either way, they excite the immune system and create inflammation, which is the visible stuff you're asking about.
Mycota are sneaky and super-resistant to change, because Mycota are eukaryotes, like mammals are, and are harder for our immune system to recognize or nuke, compared to bacteria or viruses.
10th April 2017 12:41 PM
Thanks Tom, very interesting stuff.
Do you have a loose timeline of your healing process? I know you've given an overall timeline of 6 months plus but jsut wondering when the redness and flakiness reached an okay level!
Started using the oil on different body parts as well, and seeing much the same - patches of redness and flaking.
Am now wondering whether the cause of skin issues has always been due to Malassezia! Is there anything on the efficacy of using climazole on fungal toe nail too? Will be experimenting with that!
10th April 2017 04:18 PM
Hi Steve, I have a timeline of the healing process posted in the "sticky," at the top of this subforum, which has all the information in the 5 or so .pdf's, near the end of each paper.
I estimate the length of the healing process, in months, is your age in decades, times two. If you're 30, that's 6 months. If you're 50, that's 10 months. Young people have a more robust immune system, and their fungal colonies are entrenched behind thinner walls of keratin.
As a psychological device, you can view the healing in 3 different stages. Stage 1 is where a casual observer would not notice anything wrong with your skin. Stage 2 is where another person, even on close inspection, would not notice anything wrong. Stage 3 is where you notice nothing wrong. This is suggested because people are too hard on themselves, compared to others, when it comes to skin quality.
The toenails are very difficult to treat because the nails are super-thick walls of keratin, especially the big toenails. My big toe toenails always had a slight yellow cast, which I suppose was caused by some fungus, and they have cleared-up to a nearly normal color (compared to the other toenails) after 4 years of daily climbazole treatment. The problem was never more than an annoyance, in terms of severity, so I wasn't focused on it, but yes, climbazole appears to have an extremely slow effect against toenail fungus.
Treating the toenails is nearly impossible, and you can find a lot of claims from manufacturers. Luliconazole is supposed to be the Holy Grail for this problem, but I don't think you can buy it anywhere except Japan -- Valeant has the license to sell it in North America, but good luck with that company. The price is going to be sky-high.
There's also the concept of "surface active polymers," which means a particular combination of ingredients enhances penetration of the keratin. You might google this idea.
11th April 2017 10:33 AM