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    Hi ants, spider veins are super-easy to eliminate with VeinGogh or VeinWave for about $150, for 3 treatments, only 2 of which are actually necessary. It seems logical that eliminating excess calcium in soft tissue, via Vitamin K2 supplements, is much more significant than cosmetic telangiectasia problems that are easily resolved. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Busby View Post
    Hi ants, spider veins are super-easy to eliminate with VeinGogh or VeinWave for about $150, for 3 treatments, only 2 of which are actually necessary. It seems logical that eliminating excess calcium in soft tissue, via Vitamin K2 supplements, is much more significant than cosmetic telangiectasia problems that are easily resolved. Am I missing something?
    For me personally, seb derm is much easier to solve than telangiectasia, but I'm sure is much harder for people for whom that is their main problem (which is why I warn people particularly who are concerned about type 1 rosacea - flushing/burning/redness). Veinwave is notorious for scarring (read past people's experiences of it on this forum, and other forums), so not a sensible approach for most people, though some people do find laser or IPL helps with telangiectasia. Telangictasia of the ears which I and others experience in rosacea are almost impossible to treat - Dr Peter Crouch and Dr Tony Chu were neither confident in the ability of laser or IPL to remove ear veins from their experience. I still don't think there are credible reliable treatments for telangiectasia in general on the face (at least in relation to the complications of rosacea), as is repeatedly reported by poor outcomes in the laser/IPL section of this forum. If there was a thorough clinical training for the removal of facial telangiectasia with associated research programmes as there is for leg vein issues (with years of associated training, sub-specialisation and associated research programmes), we may make more progress with telangiectasia of the face.

    You will also find some concerns raised in past posts a while ago about oral vitamin k I believe - I did several searches on it - though they are from some time ago.
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    The VeinWave treatment I've gotten isn't a laser or IPL -- it's a tiny jolt of electricity, delivered by a tiny needle. My skin was bright red for 2-3 days and it looked like a bad sunburn, but there seems to be no chance of scarring.

    Laser treatments are much deeper into the skin and I can understand the possibility of negative outcomes, and why the operator would need to be very skillful, and probably just lucky too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Busby View Post
    The VeinWave treatment I've gotten isn't a laser or IPL -- it's a tiny jolt of electricity, delivered by a tiny needle. My skin was bright red for 2-3 days and it looked like a bad sunburn, but there seems to be no chance of scarring.

    Laser treatments are much deeper into the skin and I can understand the possibility of negative outcomes, and why the operator would need to be very skillful, and probably just lucky too.
    I've met the doctor who invented the Veinwave treatment, Dr Newman, but I didn't find him credible - just a salesman, which is why I didn't have the treatment. I appreciate it's not a laser. I'm glad you had a successful outcome but there are several people on this forum who have not.

    Some examples of concerns about Veinwave
    https://www.healthboards.com/boards/...ead-veins.html
    https://rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosacea...retreat-or-not

    There are many more bad experiences reported with it - so I'd be careful with this treatment. Rosacea flushing can also be caused by problems of deeper clotting of the blood vessels anyway (which vitamin k could precipitate/worsen) that cannot be accessed by lasers/veinwave/IPL.

    However, if type 1 rosacea is not your main concern and problem I can see vitamin k may be helpful to you.
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    Hi Tom. I saw over on Reddit that several people have purchased your homemade skincare products! That led me to this site where Iíve registered specifically to contact you!

    Iím a 29yr old female, Phd student (sociology) and have terrible malassezia/dermatitis/foliculitis in various places all over my body, similar to what you describe as your experience. Like everyone else, Iíve tried everything with minimal success using topical ketzole.

    Please tell me that you have a site available to order your products?? Or perhaps I can contact you privately to order something?

    I appreciate any reply, and thank you for the research youíve done!

    Brieanna

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    Tom thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences about SD, it's been very helpful.
    I wanted to ask your opinion or experience with ingredients such as stearic acid by itself? not oils that contain it, but just the acid when it's part of a product formulation. Do you think it will feed malassezia or does it only free these fatty acids when they are contained within an oil?

    Also do you know if climbazole powder has a shelf life? Wondering if I can still use some left over from around a year old
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    For those who are curious to try topical vitamin D in the form of cholecalciferol as Tom has been doing, CeraVe has recently launched a moisturiser including it, called the CeraVe SA Smoothing Cream. Here are the ingredients:

    Purified Water, Glycerin, Behentrimonium Methosulfate and Cetearyl Alcohol, Mineral Oil, Glyceryl Stearate SE, Ammonium Lactate, Salicylic Acid, Triethanolamine, Cetyl Alcohol, Niacinamide, PEG-100 Stearate, Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3 in Corn Oil), Ceramide 3, Ceramide 6-II, Ceramide 1, Cholesterol, Phytosphingosine, Hyaluronic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Dimethicone, Methylparaben, Edetate Disodium, Propylparaben, Sodium Lauroyl Lactylate, Carbomer, Xanthan Gum

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    Quote Originally Posted by sejon View Post
    For those who are curious to try topical vitamin D in the form of cholecalciferol as Tom has been doing, CeraVe has recently launched a moisturiser including it, called the CeraVe SA Smoothing Cream. Here are the ingredients:
    Yeah Iíve just ordered some. Iím using their Smoothing face wash with SA.
    Bizarrely enough my skin tolerates this better than their hydrating face wash.
    I actually bought the Smoothing cream for my legs and arms .

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    Just a heads-up: if you check the ingredients for it on CeraVe's US and UK websites, it seems just the US version contains it.

    The UK site lists these as the ingredients:

    AQUA / WATER, UREA, CETYL ALCOHOL, GLYCERYL STEARATE SE, CETEARYL ALCOHOL, NIACINAMIDE, BUTYROSPERMUM PARKII BUTTER / SHEA BUTTER, C12-13 ALKYL LACTATE, PEG-100 STEARATE, GLYCERIN, BEHENTRIMONIUM METHOSULFATE, DIMETHICONE, TRIACETIN, CERAMIDE NP, CERAMIDE AP, CERAMIDE EOP, CARBOMER, SODIUM LACTATE, SALICYLIC ACID, SODIUM HYDROXIDE, SODIUM LAUROYL LACTYLATE, SODIUM HYALURONATE, CHOLESTEROL, PHENOXYETHANOL, DISODIUM EDTA, CAPRYLOYL SALICYLIC ACID, HYDROXYACETOPHENONE, CITRIC ACID, LACTIC ACID, PHYTOSPHINGOSINE, XANTHAN GUM, ETHYLHEXYLGLYCERIN
    Very similar, but they removed the vitamin D and added 10% urea and 0.5% LHA (capryloyl salicylic acid). Not sure what the reasoning is behind their decision to reformulate it here, since as far as I know the rest of CeraVe's products are the same formulation on both sides of the pond. Perhaps topical vitamin D is regulated in the UK/EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sejon View Post
    Just a heads-up: if you check the ingredients for it on CeraVe's US and UK websites, it seems just the US version contains it.

    The UK site lists these as the ingredients:



    Very similar, but they removed the vitamin D and added 10% urea and 0.5% LHA (capryloyl salicylic acid). Not sure what the reasoning is behind their decision to reformulate it here, since as far as I know the rest of CeraVe's products are the same formulation on both sides of the pond. Perhaps topical vitamin D is regulated in the UK/EU?

    Hi Sejon,

    After seeing Tom Busby's suggestion of Calcitriol I looked into getting a topical cream in the UK and it appears to be prescription only. I used an online GP and got prescribed "Silkis Calcitriol ointment" and "Differin 0.1% Gel", both from Galderma labs.
    It was quite expensive, I think I paid £60 maybe a little more.

    After using for a couple of weeks my skin is looking as good as it's ever looked aside from times where steroid creams temporarily cleared my skin, however I don't feel this is temporary, it seems to have made my skin more tolerable to moisturerisers that would previously break me out and skin smoothness and redness has reduced.

    I could definitely be better with my skin care routine, especially lately as when I find something that works I tend to become more lazy with my skin care.
    I'm not sure if it's the vitamin A or vitamin D having the effect as I started both at the same time. I use the vitamin D ointment more often but because it's like vaseline I use it at night and ive tried not washing my skin in the morning and just applying more vitamin D ointment in hopes it would help the skin barrier but it seems that it makes my skin worse probably due to the greasiness.
    I also haven't tried using any climbazoil with the regime yet.

    Over the next 2 weeks I'm going to record my skin care regime. I plan to wash my face with avenue extreme tolerance once in the morning and once in the evening. I will apply Cerave Baby Moisturiser and Aloe propolis every morning and use Differin every other day. Then in the evening I will apply, hada labo skin plumping gel, climbazoil and Calcitriol and I will add azaleic acid every other day (opposite days to Differin). Sometimes I will rotate in AHA acid or Mandelic acid and also add snail mucin, face masks every now and then.

    I will report back in two to three weeks.

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