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    I have been dealing with skin problems for over a year now. My skin is less worse than it was before, but now I am trying to figure out if I still have something active on my face, or if I have pink scars. I also have these tiny red dots on my skin on my face that don't seem to disappear even when I stretch the skin and don't seem to whiten/blanche when pressed on. All I use is a cleanser now. I have tiny bumps all over face, some indentations have formed. The bumps never go away, I wonder if they are some kind of hypertrophic scarring. I have no idea what it is on my face but I would love to see if anyone on here could tell me what they think is wrong with my skin?? I don't understand what these bumps are and the skin is a thick kind of texture for the most part, like sandpaper.

    When I look at old photos, it appears to me that I may have had this skin condition slowly growing for the past few years with some light pinkness visible.

    Recently, I started using Mederma since I believe my skin to be scarred pink, etc. The first two days, my skin tolerated it, but felt a bit itchy and some tingling which I think was from the onion extract. Then on the third day, I was over zealous and applied about 3 layers at once and my skin became very red only in the localized areas where I have pink skin, even though I applied it on the entire face except for forehead and chin. The skin areas that aren't pink currently, did not get so red and inflamed and irritated. It took my skin about 2 days to get over the probable irritation it developed from the Mederma...I continued to feel some tingling which I believe was a result of the onion extract. The bumps on my skin seemed to look a little bigger and irritated, so I'm beginning to wonder if this perhaps is a clue that my skin may still have something active going on?

    Or does this just look like scars for the most part? Please be honest and let me know what you think. I want to know whether to continue using the Mederma or what to do. I would also like any skin condition ideas to be thrown my way.

    Current photos:
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us..._2212.jpg.html
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=0
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=2
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us..._2242.jpg.html
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us..._2243.jpg.html

    Current photo taken after a shower. You can really see the open pores and lines and bad skin textures.
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us..._2233.jpg.html

    Here you can see the red dots I'm talking about that won't blanche...scars?:
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=4
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=9
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=6

    Old photos:
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=2
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...ml?sort=3&o=17
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    Maybe mild keratosis pilaris? Some of the photos look totally normal; none look particularly bad to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrlhamcat2 View Post
    Maybe mild keratosis pilaris? Some of the photos look totally normal; none look particularly bad to me.
    Well my skin is pink in these localized areas in the particular exact shape that you can see in some photos and it has been this way for over a year. As if I had a rash there and it left scarring, but I'm not sure.

    Do you think most of the pink on my skin then might be scarred pink skin?

    When this began for me, my skin was immensely sensitive, hurting me, dry, and super red a year ago. I also have had change in texture on forehead where there has been no redness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdsing View Post
    Well my skin is pink in these localized areas in the particular exact shape that you can see in some photos and it has been this way for over a year. As if I had a rash there and it left scarring, but I'm not sure.

    Do you think most of the pink on my skin then might be scarred pink skin?

    When this began for me, my skin was immensely sensitive, hurting me, dry, and super red a year ago. I also have had change in texture on forehead where there has been no redness.
    To be honest I have no idea if it's scarred. It does look like kp but I'm definitely not an expert in skin physiology. Theoretically a dermatologist could tell you, but as you've probably seen, finding a good one isn't easy.

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    I am going to cautiously suggest that you probably don't have scarring, but rather, the bumpy rash areas give the illusion of scarring, as the raised rash has lower terrain inbetween.
    It is always a bit difficult to determine what the skin really looks like in photos. I find the same problem myself.

    I have not followed all your previous posts, sorry, so my questions might be based on things you have already mentioned.

    Firstly, as jrlhamcat2 has suggested, you might have KP.

    I would like to know if you have any areas, even dotted about which are obviously paler than the rest of your skin? Like you have taken a pencil eraser and erased a bit of pigment here and there?

    Have you had any tests for systemic diseases/problems?
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistica View Post
    I am going to cautiously suggest that you probably don't have scarring, but rather, the bumpy rash areas give the illusion of scarring, as the raised rash has lower terrain inbetween.
    It is always a bit difficult to determine what the skin really looks like in photos. I find the same problem myself.

    I have not followed all your previous posts, sorry, so my questions might be based on things you have already mentioned.

    Firstly, as jrlhamcat2 has suggested, you might have KP.

    I would like to know if you have any areas, even dotted about which are obviously paler than the rest of your skin? Like you have taken a pencil eraser and erased a bit of pigment here and there?

    Have you had any tests for systemic diseases/problems?
    Thank you very much for your response. I do believe I have what you describe....the paler skin spots. I think you can see in the photos I posted. One area would be on my right side of my face between the red splotch on the temple and the pink skin on the front cheeks, I have a pale light colored skin area. Why do you ask? Is this symptom of a certain skin condition?

    I have been tested for lyme, systemic lupus (not discoid), thyroid, vitamin D, hormones, sexual diseases, kidney, liver blood tests....


    Last night, I used an moisturizer that I have used a few times before a few weeks ago, but for some reason, I awoke to a pinker/redder looking face all over. Normally, my forehead is normal skin color and I have areas that are pale and normal skin color, but my skin seems to have turned pink/red all over for the most part excluding a few areas. This moisturizer has vitamin B and benzoyl peroxide in it I believe. My skin also feels a bit itchy on the sides of my face where I have redness and a few bumps have cropped up on my forehead.

    A strange symptom I have had before that I cannot figure out if it was a result of dry skin or if it really could have been demodex, was that I used to have intense crawling sensations on my face. As well as pricking small pains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistica View Post
    I am going to cautiously suggest that you probably don't have scarring, but rather, the bumpy rash areas give the illusion of scarring, as the raised rash has lower terrain inbetween.
    It is always a bit difficult to determine what the skin really looks like in photos. I find the same problem myself.

    I have not followed all your previous posts, sorry, so my questions might be based on things you have already mentioned.

    Firstly, as jrlhamcat2 has suggested, you might have KP.

    I would like to know if you have any areas, even dotted about which are obviously paler than the rest of your skin? Like you have taken a pencil eraser and erased a bit of pigment here and there?

    Have you had any tests for systemic diseases/problems?
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=7
    http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=8

    These dots are what worries me that it's scarring. My friend had kp on his arms and he has pink/red flat pin sized dots all over his arms left over from it and they are scars. I can't be sure if they look like mine though. I have tried comparing his to the ones I see on my face, but I just can't tell.

    Although, he says he has scars because he consistently picked at his skin.

    I want to clarify, when you said paler skin dotted about on my face, do you mean color that is paler than my regular skin tone throughout my body or do you mean regular light skin tone spots in between the pink/red skin?
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    I want to clarify, when you said paler skin dotted about on my face, do you mean color that is paler than my regular skin tone throughout my body or do you mean regular light skin tone spots in between the pink/red skin?
    What I meant was, do you see any areas of lighter pigment. Ie, less melanin, rather than paler, as in less redness?

    I am sorry I have to cut this short!
    We are being hit by a major thunder storm and I want to switch off the computer!
    Back later.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    I'm back. The storm was brief, but loud. The day became dark and once the sun started to shine again, we noticed the sky had what resembles a white line dividing it. Almost like the heavens split and no one came along to repair it yet. A kodak moment!

    That aside.....

    I was interested to know if you have areas of less pigment/melanin as I used to have these, inbetween a nasty case of facial melasma. (preceded the rosacea/flushing hell, but continued as an accompaniment for years). I just thought some parts of my skin were not affected by the melasma, but it turned out the bumpy skin, also in those areas had a fungal component. I had heard of tinea versicolor before and had even looked at images, but couldn't see how it related to me at all. Yet nizoral shampoo reduced symptoms. Sulphur helped too.
    I have been wondering if I have a low grade fungal infection amid the rosacea, again, but this time my symptoms are more inflammation related.
    The more I learn, the more I am convinced that various infections might play a role in this rotten diseases and they might present in a way not usually known.
    Not saying this is what afflicts you, but I always say, consider everything.

    I have also seen several Cpn patients speak about whiter patches on their skin.

    As for your case, what have you tried? Which doctors have you seen?
    Has anyone suggested it is KP?

    Are those blackheads near the hair line in front of the ear?

    Do you feel your pores are blocked?
    Do you sweat in affected areas?
    Do you feel your skin turns over at the right rate?

    Did you notice a connection with any kind of digestive dysfunction before the onset of your symptoms? ( I always ask people this).

    Picking at skin can certainly cause scarring.

    How sensitive is your skin?
    I ask, as many people here in Australia with skin ailments seem to benefit from Tom McArthur's Papaya formula. Particularly types of eczema and psoriasis cases. ( Not All).
    I tried them and like everything else, they irritated the hell out of my skin. But I have very sensitive skin and I am highly reactive to just about everything. That is me however.
    Also, they contain oils and I am intolerate to them, period.

    If you have exhausted all avenues, perhaps this might be another option for consideration?

    This clinic has had remarkable success with recalcitrant psoriasis cases. Not the type with internal involvement. ( I don't think).

    I know of two members here, who have rosacea, who have successfully implemented treatments.
    Megan, who was delighted with her results. She no longer posts, but you can search for her thread.
    And Dr Michael V, who did not attend the clinic, but had a phone consultation. He too had pleasing results. I guess he is doing ok now, as he has since disappeared after experimenting with more treatments in a short time, than most people do in a year!

    http://psoriasis.com.au/
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistica View Post
    I'm back. The storm was brief, but loud. The day became dark and once the sun started to shine again, we noticed the sky had what resembles a white line dividing it. Almost like the heavens split and no one came along to repair it yet. A kodak moment!

    That aside.....

    I was interested to know if you have areas of less pigment/melanin as I used to have these, inbetween a nasty case of facial melasma. (preceded the rosacea/flushing hell, but continued as an accompaniment for years). I just thought some parts of my skin were not affected by the melasma, but it turned out the bumpy skin, also in those areas had a fungal component. I had heard of tinea versicolor before and had even looked at images, but couldn't see how it related to me at all. Yet nizoral shampoo reduced symptoms. Sulphur helped too.
    I have been wondering if I have a low grade fungal infection amid the rosacea, again, but this time my symptoms are more inflammation related.
    The more I learn, the more I am convinced that various infections might play a role in this rotten diseases and they might present in a way not usually known.
    Not saying this is what afflicts you, but I always say, consider everything.

    I have also seen several Cpn patients speak about whiter patches on their skin.

    As for your case, what have you tried? Which doctors have you seen?
    Has anyone suggested it is KP?

    Are those blackheads near the hair line in front of the ear?

    Do you feel your pores are blocked?
    Do you sweat in affected areas?
    Do you feel your skin turns over at the right rate?

    Did you notice a connection with any kind of digestive dysfunction before the onset of your symptoms? ( I always ask people this).

    Picking at skin can certainly cause scarring.

    How sensitive is your skin?
    I ask, as many people here in Australia with skin ailments seem to benefit from Tom McArthur's Papaya formula. Particularly types of eczema and psoriasis cases. ( Not All).
    I tried them and like everything else, they irritated the hell out of my skin. But I have very sensitive skin and I am highly reactive to just about everything. That is me however.
    Also, they contain oils and I am intolerate to them, period.

    If you have exhausted all avenues, perhaps this might be another option for consideration?

    This clinic has had remarkable success with recalcitrant psoriasis cases. Not the type with internal involvement. ( I don't think).

    I know of two members here, who have rosacea, who have successfully implemented treatments.
    Megan, who was delighted with her results. She no longer posts, but you can search for her thread.
    And Dr Michael V, who did not attend the clinic, but had a phone consultation. He too had pleasing results. I guess he is doing ok now, as he has since disappeared after experimenting with more treatments in a short time, than most people do in a year!

    http://psoriasis.com.au/
    That storm sounds like it gave way to a picturesque view! I'm glad the storm wasn't too terrible.

    I think I may have some of this loss of pigment as you mentioned and I, too, once thought it might be due to a fungal problem because of reading up on tinea versicolor. I've tried fungal remedies and I don't believe that is the case for me anymore. In fact, I can't be certain, since my skin is so light, if the areas are a loss of pigment or my natural skin color. A sulfur wash slightly helped me in the past. I used nizoral shampoo back when my skin first errupted in these pink spots, pains and problems, but I can't be sure if it helped or not. It might have, but I am not sure since I used many things and alternated out of desperation to get better.

    I have tried many things. Metrogel, a fungal gel of a name I can't remember, the ZZ cream from China by Demodex Solutions, sulfur and sulfacetamide wash, cleansers, moisturizer (barely could use as my skin seemed to look worse from moisturizer), Finacea, Clindamycin Phosphate, Elidel, boric acid and hydrogen peroxide solution, some natural things like coconut oil, olive oil and tea tree oil . Orally: metronidazole, doxycycline, ivermectin. Neither pills were taken past 3 weeks. Played around with vitamins and changing my diet although i had trouble sticking it out past a month with cutting out foods like carbs, bread, dairy, etc. Of anything I tried, I remember Permethrin held the best results. BUT, I was using permethrin on a nightly basis and worried about the effects and health problems from such regular use, I stopped completely after a while. But, the permethrin was helping. My mother claims that she thinks the antibiotics seemed like they might be helping, but only a little withint 3 weeks, so the doctor didn't think there was improvement and said there would be within 3 weeks, so they made me stop. I still think I should have stuck it out longer because I hear it can take longer for antibiotics to work on the skin.

    I have seen dermatologists and GP and OBGYN for hormone testing.

    Just yesterday, I went again to a new dermatologist. Probably my 7th one in this past 1.5 yrs or skin problems. And she immediately said it is KP. I asked if she saw another possible condition on my face too and she said no, she only sees KP. I have been suspecting KP too lately because of the similarity in pictures online to the pictures I have of my face. BUT, what I find interesting is that the dermatologist said that my symptoms which I described are not something she hears about in KP sufferers. One of my symptoms in the past has been intense crawling as well as just small light crawling happening once and a while, even in my eyebrows and have felt it happen in my eyelashes before.... Also, crawling on scalp and body sometimes as well. Another symptom that I have that she could not explain is that I get these prickly tingling pains on my face sometimes and have had my skin around my chin area hurt before like a fire pricking pain. I have strange white bumps on my chin that are large and I think some indented skin due to my skin issue. The fact that she couldn't explain these symptoms for being normal in KP, makes me believe it maybe could not be KP? I have KP on my legs, arms, and neck and it looks somewhat different than what I have on my face. I also don't understand why it would be the worst and so bad on my face- pink, so super bumpy and somewhat painful compared to the rest of my body. I don't feel such pricking or pains on the rest of my body, but I do feel the crawling. It could be KP or I have been wondering if yet another dermatologist doesn't have it completely right yet. I am thinking if perhaps it could be perioral dermatitis across most of my face or maybe it IS demodicosis as I once used to believe. I have seen pictures for both these ailements which look similar to my skin and similar to KP.


    Your next question is about whether those are black headsby my ear, I believe you are talking about this http://s1111.beta.photobucket.com/us...tml?sort=3&o=9

    No, those are not blackheads. I have no idea what they are, but I don't think they are blackheads. I have lots of blackheads but only on my front cheeks and forehead and nose.

    I absolutely feel that my pores are blocked.

    I do sweat on my face sometimes and I think I sweat normally as I have before these problems began. Although, I don't sweat often.

    I don't think my skin turns over at the right rate. I think if it did, my skin would look normal. Instead, my skin looks almost exactly the same for a year and a half now.

    I can't say if I noticed a connection with a digestive problem when this began. I have always had digestion issues as I had some acid reflux at times. Nothing too terrible and I always was able to get better with some acid reflux pill and then was ok for a long time before needing to take any again. I don't think I really had big digestion issues at the time, other than burping a lot.

    I have never picked at my skin.

    My skin, in it's current state, is quite sensitive. Not terribly sensitive but pretty sensitive. I think my skin would not enjoy oils either, but I may try the product you suggested. It sounds like it's worth a shot. Thank you.

    Thank you also for writing to me and being a caring, informative person. I look forward to hearing from you again and please let me know why you asked some of these questions, I answered. Thanks again!
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