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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    I have been eating cottage cheese with 4% Fat Plain Yogurt about five to six times a week for lunch for about three weeks along with taking daily acidophilus capsule and I have noticed that my rosacea seems better. Haven't used the ZZ cream for about a week. I have been able to eat a little dried fruit as well like mangoes & papaya & pineapple. Amazing to me. There must be something to this gut theory. I think I need to do this long term and see but I do still have couple of red spots on my cheeks and forehead. Usually I apply the ZZ cream on the spots but I am going to wait and see what happens.
    Hey Brady,

    That is promising news.

    I do have a couple of questions though.
    For some reason I was under the impression that you ate yogurt and supplemented with probiotics for years. Was I mistaken?

    If not, have you ever taken probiotics in the past?
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    I have always taken acidophilus capsule every day for years. I only ate yogurt once in a blue moon. In the past few months I have increased eating yogurt and cottage cheese but in the past three weeks just about every day for lunch. It has cleaned out my bowels big time. It is like a big cleanse. Anyway, my face is relatively clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    I have always taken acidophilus capsule every day for years. I only ate yogurt once in a blue moon. In the past few months I have increased eating yogurt and cottage cheese but in the past three weeks just about every day for lunch. It has cleaned out my bowels big time. It is like a big cleanse. Anyway, my face is relatively clear.
    That's very interesting. And very good news for you personally of course.

    I have terrible reactions to dairy. I have tried all types of yogurt, including greek, which is supposed to be superior, although I have never been able to determine if that is true or not.
    Without fail my face becomes further inflammed, and P&P's soon made an appearance. I have tried eating it sporadically, then every day to try and induce tolerance, but the symptoms only increase and I eventually give up.
    I have taken probiotics for years too and these don't seem to aggravate, but not sure how much they help. Some strains make me worse. Yet, I realise we need numerous strains. I wish we could have an analysis and then take a tailored formula.

    In your case, just to get technical, if you don't mind, what exactly do you mean by having undergone a bowel cleanse? Do you mean, more regular movements?
    More normal movements?
    Or diarrhea, followed by normalcy?

    Did you have any kind of digestive issues prior? Such as sluggishness, or bloating?

    I have enormous interest in gut health, biofilms, bacteria, fungi.

    Have you ever suffered external fungi infections? Anywhere on the body?

    If so, what impact did your low carb diet have on them?
    Fungi are interesting as while it is well known sugar feeds them, I have heard several anecdotal reports of people getting much worse with a severe carb restriction.
    And, I know of one person who treated for gut candida, cured his IBS but ended up with body flushing.
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    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Have you seen studies/articles such as the one below?

    http://www.nature.com/mi/journal/vao.../mi20103a.html

    Tregs are required for sending anti inflammatory signals to the body.

    Prof Ayers speaks alot about tregs.

    However, as all of us know, diet modification and probiotic supplementation is unlikely to cure rosacea.

    I am getting off topic I know.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Mistica,

    Wow, you really are into this gut theory. Give me some time to digest all this, including the Tregs, which I never heard of. I don't have any known history of fungal infections. No digestive problems or bloating, etc.

    The yogurt simply gives me more regular bowel movements. However on Saturday evening I did have diarrhea followed by normalcy. Are you some kind of psychic or have you been watching a lot of episodes of House?

    It's sad you have some kind of lactose intolerance. Wish I could wave a dairy wand and make you well.

    I don't think that my rosacea is cured but there maybe something to the gut theory. Maybe carbohydrate is still related to the gut theory thread and it is not off topic but right on?
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    Mistca,

    One question about your dairy intake:

    When you eat dairy, such as yogurt, are you at the same time digesting any sugar from anything, i.e., fruit? Just checking if you are really on a low carb diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistica View Post
    Have you seen studies/articles such as the one below?

    http://www.nature.com/mi/journal/vao.../mi20103a.html

    Tregs are required for sending anti inflammatory signals to the body.
    Prof Ayers speaks alot about tregs.
    However, as all of us know, diet modification and probiotic supplementation is unlikely to cure rosacea. I am getting off topic I know.
    Ok, I read up on TREGS with my favorite friend Wikipedia and understand basically what they are:
    Regulatory T Cells that keep the immune system in homeostasis. The article is way over my head but it basically says that gut flora sends some sort of signal to these TREGS and they have proved it. There is a theory that rosacea is an 'innate immune system dysfunction' which is integral to the Cathelicidin theory. Obviously TREGS are part of the immune system and may be related. All this is quite complicated and as your article pointed out, "the role of the composition of the microbiota and the importance of individual species in this community in stimulating different types of immunity are major unanswered questions." What we need is more research on rosacea and the gut, the immune system, bacteria, fungi, and the list goes on and on.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brady Barrows View Post
    Mistca,

    One question about your dairy intake:

    When you eat dairy, such as yogurt, are you at the same time digesting any sugar from anything, i.e., fruit? Just checking if you are really on a low carb diet?
    Yes, I eat low carb, no grains, cakes, fruits etc. Nothing out of a packet.
    When I have tried yogurt, it is the plain unsweetened kind.

    A few weeks ago, I dabbled in eating berries. My face flared. Perhaps I have SIBO?
    In addition my liver enzymes became quite elevated. Same when eating oils.
    My antibiotics have to be taken into consideration as well.

    I am in a really bad state at the moment. Worse than I have been in over a year. Terrible facial inflammation, soreness and redness.
    So much for the CAP. Although it was a gamble with me as I couldn't take the necessary third antibiotic.

    I tried going even lower carb for three days last week, prior to my current mess (but I was deteriorating). I experienced symptoms which the doc felt were secondary porphyria, including racing heart. I felt horrible. I was taking metro at the time. Since then I have sailed downhill to this dreadful inflamed state. I had to increase carbs again, but just until the symptoms passed.
    Diet definitely plays a role and I get the feeling different foods cause different reactions in different people depending on gut flora and pathogens.

    I am considering a fecal transplant. Well, looking into it anyway. That would take a lot of investigation obviously.
    I think my immune system is shot to pieces now.
    There is a pioneer specialist in Sydney whom I am going to contact about my case. He might have some suggestions.

    Before that I will restart and hopefully complete the gut biofilm removal regime. But even that is a gamble as we do need biofilms, but not an imbalance of predominately nasty ones.

    I was doing so well and can't believe how bad I have become again. It is frustrating and depressing.

    To sum up, yes, I generally eat a low carb diet. Salads, chicken. Rarely even a piece of fruit.
    I bake the chicken in herbs, garlic and a tad of coconut oil.
    My diet is too restricted, but it cuts down on symptoms.

    I have tried all sorts of probiotics as well.

    Prof Ayers states it could take years to repair the gut based immune system, but what confuses me is this. Some people who have IBS, allergies, arthritis etc, manage to alleviate all of these maladies in months with a good diet, yet, rosacea remains. Even in the above mentioned people. If the gut is not working properly, why are some health issues resolved?
    This seems to support the idea that Rosacea also involves intracellular bacteria, such as Cpn living in the facial blood vessels/tissues, in some people.
    Last edited by Mistica; 16th March 2011 at 09:38 AM.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Mistica,

    Your case is unusual and I hope and pray you can find a solution. You have done your homework and hopefully will find something soon that will help.

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    Best advice for avoiding carbs is to avoid carbs.

    I've been doing a broadly paleo diet of late - no grains, some starches, but, all in, effectively low carb - and after a spell you kind of lose the craving for carbs.

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