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    Is the astaxanthin helping in any way?
    Does it make you flush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloem View Post
    Is the astaxanthin helping in any way?
    Does it make you flush?
    Hi,

    I was going to wait a while before I gave a review as I broke my own rule of not trying more then one thing at once. At the same time as starting this, I used sea buckthorn oil and lavender oil as well as re-introducing red light (only used infrared and yellow LED previously) to my routine.

    Well I basically flared and started a whole bunch of new burning sensations and a little more redness :/

    Now, I put this down to the lavender oil as it's strong stuff and I noticed a correlation between putting on the lavender oil and a flare up of my eye.

    The sea buckthorn oil can make my face tingle in those areas, but I'm convinced it is doing good and reducing redness - maybe just because it has an orange tint

    The Astaxanthin. Well...I think it is helping yeah. My first 2 weeks I took just one tab. Noticed this crazy (and this could of been other factors) flushing sensation in my cheek. Experienced nothing else like it. I wasn't more red. It felt like someone had got a jar of cream out the fridge and rubbed it on my face. Bizzare.

    This went on for a week intensely. Second week it tailed off. Call me crazy but decided to up my dose so went up to 2 tabs per day. Morning and night with an oily meal (better absorbed). The reason i think it was the Astaxathin rather then anything else, is once I increased the dose, the crazy cold cream feeling came back and slowly went away again. Although the burning had increased and spread, I'm sure this was the lavender oil, so stopped that and once the 'cold cream' feeling went away, upped my dose to 3 tabs. I also added virgin coconut oil to my porridge in the morning.

    Although the burning is still there - especially on my chin!! I think the redness overall is better and I definitly flush less.

    I also think it enchances RLT. Not got my theory on this 100% yet, but I'll jot it down when it's not nearly midnight and I can think clearer.

    On the whole, I think it is doing good and strangely has decreased flushing after maybe some increase in the start...but without going red (the cold cream feeling described).

    Not sure if that helps...?

    Maybe you just need to give it a whirl and see...! But I appreciate it's a little daunting.

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    Default Natural astaxanthin

    Where would learn about astaxanthin for rosacea if it wasn't for findingaway?

    I found this interesting to add to the thread:

    Synthetic sources

    Nearly all commercial astaxanthin for aquaculture is produced synthetically, with an annual turnover of over $200 million and a selling price of ~$2000 per kilo. However, synthetic production of astaxanthin is not preferred in some cases because synthetic astaxanthin contains a mixture of stereoisomers. Astaxanthin is fairly abundant and obtainable from natural sources, and some consumers prefer natural products over synthetic ones. Synthetic astaxanthin fetches $2000 per kg, while the natural product is sold for over $7000 per kg.

    An efficient synthesis from isophorone, cis-3-methyl-2-penten-4-yn-1-ol and a symetrical C10-dialdehyde has been discovered and is used commercially. It combines these chemicals together with an ethynylation and then a Wittig reaction. Two equivalents of the proper ylide combined with the proper dialdehyde in a solvent of methanol, ethanol, or a mixture of the two, yields astaxanthin in up to 88% yields.

    Difference between natural and synthetic forms

    Astaxanthin has two chiral centers, at the 3 and 3' positions. Therefore, there are three stereoisomers; (3-R,3'-R), (3-R,3'-S) (meso), and (3-S,3'-S). Synthetic astaxanthin contains a mixture of the three, in approximately 1:2:1 proportions. Naturally occurring astaxanthin varies considerably from one organism to another. The astaxanthin in fish is of whatever stereoisomer the fish ingested. The astaxanthin produced by haematococcus pluvialis, which is commonly used in the feed of animals which are in turn consumed by humans, is the (3-S,3'-S) stereoisomer.

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    So the natural source astaxanthin costs more than three times as much as the synthetic.
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    So the natural source astaxanthin costs more than three times as much as the synthetic.
    I would never recommend anyone use anything other then natural Astaxathin.

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    Your experiences are interesting.

    Did you have similar reactions to fish oil? First an increase of symptoms followed by less?

    I react badly to all forms of omega 3's, not just fish oil.
    A couple of years ago, I tried krill oil and my face just about exploded. It took months for me to recover and settle back to my previous awful state. I only took a few doses.

    My liver complains as well, apparently. Although I would like to retest this again at some point.

    I worry that I don't get enough EFA's.
    I am supposed to be taking vitamin K2. I have tried a couple of times. I tried one capsule again yesterday afternoon and deteriorated through the rest of the day, to the point I couldn't lay down at all and spent nearly all night watching tv with an ice pack attached to my face.
    It is fair to say the K2 might be a causative factor, but I wonder about the 230mg of fish oil it also contains. <sigh>.

    I can weather small storms if the otherside is a state of improvement, but I can't tolerate the on going hurricanes.

    I am glad to hear EFA's are benefiting you.
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    You certainly have to have some guts (or be a little tapped ) to try new things and more importantly carry on when things get worse.

    I think I do because I read somewhere that things get worse before they get better with natural remedies. In the case of lavender I'm sure this only did bad things, but then again it could be something else I'm still taking that caused bad reactions.

    On the K2 side of things, you could try the powdered D3Plus which contains K2. It's the d3 pills that are recommended by the vitamin d council.

    Re the Astaxathin - it also contains vitamin a, e and Lutein

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    Quote Originally Posted by findingaway View Post




    Maybe you just need to give it a whirl and see...! But I appreciate it's a little daunting.
    I just recovered from my sea buckthorn adventure. Left me burning, stinging and red for a few days. Really scared to try anything....

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    Red face

    Was it pure sea buckthorn oil or mixed with anything?

    I do know what you mean about having a bad experience with something and then not wanting to try anything else...

    Going Ok with SB oil. It was the lavender I think that caused the reaction, but who knows??

    The SB oil seems to stop the burning.

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    I found this bit of a rave googling "astaxnthin rosacea"

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    I followed Dr. Mark’s instructions – apply after my shower and before bed. I committed myself to two weeks…I just want to see some difference in my skin in two week (which is what most good skin creams claim). Well, IT JUST DIDN’T HAPPEN! Now, don’t go blog bashing Dr. Mark…it was actually quite the contrary. It happened in just two days! Ok, so I don’t look 18 again, but my skin felt instantly like a baby’s bum, my rosacea hit the road and a blemish that looked as though it was going to erupt at any given moment seemed to retreat back to the depths of hell where it formulated. Could it be that THIS cream really works?
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    But the quote is from 2008, so where has the product been since then? And where is the author's rosacea?
    "It's all illusion anyway."

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    Ghost,

    I'm a little confused by your post. The astaxathin I mention in this thread is to be taken orally. You can get astaxathin in creams tho so maybe that is what the quote you highlighted refers to. Difficult to know unless you post the link.


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