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    Hi,

    I've been using an Omnilux Red Light Unit for a few weeks. Not as intensely as I should of according to the instructions, but now my eyes look really puffy, like I am tired all the time. It's like there is more fluid under my eyes and that has caused creases. My eyes look sunken in. This has made lines appear around the eye.

    I googled it and found this review on amazon that describes it exactly and I'm really worried as it was months after the women stopped using it and she still had the problem.

    Just as the first reviewer remarked, I too am leaving my first review online. But, in contrast--it is for the purpose of warning other consumers. I purchased this Omnilux new-U product (from a different reseller so this review in no way implicates Procyte or any reseller for that matter) in June. I faithfully followed the instructions of holding it on my periorbital wrinkles for 20 minutes two times a week for four weeks. I can say without hesitation, that it not only did absolutely nothing to improve the wrinkles, but rather it caused significant further wrinkling, crepiness, and damage to the delicate under-eye skin. What were noticeable lines are now deep creases, with additional almost vertical lines. I so regret experimenting with this product 4 months before my wedding, but I did and I am desperately attempting to eradicate the damage...thus far, unsuccessfully. To make matters worse, I twice contacted the Omnilux manufacturer (Photo Therapeutics) and received no reply. For the manufacturer to completely disregard a consumer complaint is reckless. Regardless, the lack of remediation is not the troublesome part to me. It was money wasted. But much more important-to me- is the fact that this product has aged my skin significantly and caused permanent damage. I write this review in the hopes that others will be careful before using something on such delicate skin that clearly has not been adequately tested or vetted.
    What am I going to do, I'm really worried.

    It was helping my skin, but now I look awful!

    Maybe this happened to someone else and it got better?

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    Hopefully others will post with something more useful than I can offer.
    Meanwhile I only have this.

    Rosaceans have a compromised lymphatic system, so it could be that this has resulted in your puffiness.
    My personal experience was swelling all over. Maybe you are seeing this sort of thing concentrated under the eyes? Is it worse after laying down? When my rosacea was at it's worse, I had the chipmunk thing going on for ages. You know, 'the storing the nuts in the cheeks for the winter', look.
    My 'in office' RLT treatments amplified it tremendously in the beginning and it was really painful. It did eventually drain away.

    I can't comment much on the skin crepiness. I suspect it wouldn't be permanent although that woman's story is a bit alarming.
    Several people have said their skin became rather dry early on in treatment. Perhaps this is what you are experiencing.
    I developed some pretty significant skin crepiness on my left cheek with too many IPL treatments. (Also they were too close together). This too has reduced a lot over a couple of years, with D3 and topical S&S. IPL is traumatic to the skin. RLT isn't, so I wouldn't panic yet.

    I know that woman who posted on Amazon hadn't improved after several months. It would be interesting to know what other factors are involved in her particular case. Can she be contacted?
    Meanwhile I would suggest stopping treatment.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
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    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    One more thing.

    My Prof mentor ( Prof Ayers), one of my docs and also Paul J, often mention I should be taking K2 along with my vitamin D3. Especially because I am taking high doses. K2 prevents calcium deposits in tissues, ligments and blood vessels, arteries. Those taking high dose D3 are more suspectible to the above. This would include the skin.
    I finally ordered mine and should receive it in a few weeks. I wish I had started sooner.

    I have often read that those who supplement with K2 develop softer skin. Even the men comment on their skin, which is quite odd for men, so who knows, maybe it does help?

    Seeing you take high dose D3 and now you have this issue with RLT, maybe supplementing with K2 is something you should consider. Just a thought.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Thanks Mistica and I am pleased to hear you improved after your ordeal. It must have been very distressing!

    I emailed a guy that administers these kind of treatments and lasers and he said he had never heard of that side effect.

    I googled it a bit more and saw that another women had this on a forum, but it was nothing to do with RLT, it was to do with weight loss as there are pockets of fat (apparently) under the eyes.

    I have lost about 1/2 stone, maybe more in the last 3 months and if you were preparing for a wedding, I guess you would be trying to lose weight...

    I did try and contact her, but there is no way to. Unless she goes by the same alias on other forums NYHK?

    On the flip side, I also saw that there have been some trials re RLT reducing fat. I wonder if this has the ability to reduce fat under the eyes? ... but as you say, IPL is destructive, which is why it can cause fat loss whereas RLT will not make cells do things there is no demand for having said that it does not actually stimulate cells, it stimulates the little bits inside the cells called mitochondria they make the cellular energy called ATP and they also sense the condition of the cell and send out signals to start work (or not).

    I'm certainly going to step down my use a little, but as reductant to stop as my skin is improving and I am flushing less.

    Still cannot use normal hair wash though (I am visiting my mums, so used hers this morning) as even if I am extra careful to not get it on my face, after it really irritates and my cheeks and forehead become patchy red for ages! :/

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    This too has reduced a lot over a couple of years, with D3 and topical S&S
    What is S&S?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistica View Post
    One more thing.

    My Prof mentor ( Prof Ayers), one of my docs and also Paul J, often mention I should be taking K2 along with my vitamin D3. Especially because I am taking high doses. K2 prevents calcium deposits in tissues, ligments and blood vessels, arteries
    Thats fascinating. I have co-incidently been taking a supplement called D3 Plus (http://www.vitamind3plus.com/) as they were recommended through the Vitamin D Council. They contain K2 along with some other supplements, see label below.



    Did he specify how much to take?

    My skin is now super soft and apart from the rosacea and horrible puffy eye thingy, my skins looks really healthy and soft. I thought that was the RLT haven't the effect. Maybe both then - K2 and RLT.

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    PS - just found out some interesting stuff from their website, which I have posted here in this thread as it's more relevant: http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosa...310#post251310

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    Quote Originally Posted by findingaway View Post

    I've been using an Omnilux Red Light Unit for a few weeks. Not as intensely as I should of according to the instructions, but now my eyes look really puffy, like I am tired all the time. It's like there is more fluid under my eyes and that has caused creases. My eyes look sunken in. This has made lines appear around the eye.

    It was helping my skin, but now I look awful!

    Maybe this happened to someone else and it got better?
    Sorry to hear it. My advice: stop using it for a spell. The eye thing will likely fade. Begin again with RLT but do so conservatively. I repeat: starting off with the unit so close is begging for trouble. You will note that most of the those who responded to your questionnaire have their units at +3 inches and this measure represents the figure they have settled upon after their skin had become inured. The skin becomes accustomed to treatments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJ View Post
    Sorry to hear it. My advice: stop using it for a spell. The eye thing will likely fade. Begin again with RLT but do so conservatively. I repeat: starting off with the unit so close is begging for trouble. You will note that most of the those who responded to your questionnaire have their units at +3 inches and this measure represents the figure they have settled upon after their skin had become inured. The skin becomes accustomed to treatments.
    Hi GJ,

    Thanks for your reply.

    As I was just saying to Peter, I have slowed down now. Instead of nearly 65 J/cm2, I have reduced it to 6 J/cm2 (10 mins at a distance of 4-6cm with a 70mW/cm2 unit means it relative to a 10mW/cm2 unit) and I am starting to see results. All be it subtle.

    I am willing to see a cumulative effect over 2 years if I know it is improving

    How long did it take before you saw results? What were you milestones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJ View Post
    You will note that most of the those who responded to your questionnaire have their units at +3 inches and this measure represents the figure they have settled upon after their skin had become inured.
    GJ, you meant Inured and not Injured right?

    in·ure
    verb, -ured, -ur·ing.
    –verb (used with object)

    1. to accustom to hardship, difficulty, pain, etc.; toughen or harden; habituate (usually fol. by to ): inured to cold.

    So basically become accustomed to RLT?

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    What is S&S?
    This is 10% sulfacetamide/precipitated sulphur 3%.
    Mine is compounded by a local pharmacy into cetaphil cleanser. I leave it on for 7 to 12 minutes every couple of days.

    Regarding your crinkly skin. I wonder if you have dried it out by having the unit so close to your skin? Does it put out heat?

    I guess there is the possibility that the skin cells are turning over quicker, but not shedding yet, causing a build up. Doesn't Retin-A do that initially?
    I am only speculating however. And given that woman's experience, doesn't seem to fit.

    As you have been advised by others, I would back off, slow down your approach. Even give it a rest for a while to see if your skin recovers.

    Your derm experience is not unique. I have had awful and amusing experiences, but at the end of the day they equalled in their uselessness.
    If you can swing it, go and see Dr Chu as Peter suggests.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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