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    Sounds like things are finally looking up for you!

    Did you get the complimentary massage this time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistica View Post
    Sounds like things are finally looking up for you!

    Did you get the complimentary massage this time?
    Ill see if it works out jenny,Its going to be a long road to take,

    Yes my head got a relaxing massage as well as my neck,Wasn't as intense this time,Its very relaxing kind of weird but she makes me feel very comfortable.

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    Sounds good Matt hope you see some improvement. I had a 590 and a 560 pass about a week and a half ago, 560 18 joules, 560 19 joules. I had only very minor swelling and a bit of redness,I had a small reduction in telangiectasia but the background redness is the same.

    Go for the next treatment in a week and a half, might look at getting a tripple pass done.

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    Yes Joe, definitely go for a deeper filter. I would say a double pass is best first time. I don't intend to do any more than two passes at any one time simply because I don't want any bad side effects.

    590 followed by 615 or 640 depending on what you decide. Equally, the energies you mentioned are too low. Ensure that all are at least 20joules or slightly above.

    Everyone should be aware that if you are going to use a double or triple filter technique, you must start with the most shallow filter first and work deeper. Do not start with the deeper filter as these are the kindest on the epidermis and as such it'll be far more painful if you end a treatment with the more painful shallower filter.

    Good to get them out of the way and then the more therapeutic filters can follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kypro View Post
    Yes Joe, definitely go for a deeper filter. I would say a double pass is best first time. I don't intend to do any more than two passes at any one time simply because I don't want any bad side effects.

    590 followed by 615 or 640 depending on what you decide. Equally, the energies you mentioned are too low. Ensure that all are at least 20joules or slightly above.

    Everyone should be aware that if you are going to use a double or triple filter technique, you must start with the most shallow filter first and work deeper. Do not start with the deeper filter as these are the kindest on the epidermis and as such it'll be far more painful if you end a treatment with the more painful shallower filter.

    Good to get them out of the way and then the more therapeutic filters can follow.
    Hey john Marta starts with the deep filters first,U disagree?Did u start with the shallow filter first?Im concerned with u saying this,U are very smart and i wonder why shes starting deeper first,My theory was start softer so the skin doesn't react to much then go harder,Surly starting off strong u could burn the epidermis?My two treatments so far have had a big difference on my face,The triplc protocol does read shallower first,Im curious on your thoughts?Why cant it be reversed?Its worked so far on me,My next treatment im going to do 560 615 then 695 triple pulse and ill try 20jS ill let u no what happens(Ill start shallower first and compare with starting deeper first),But I'm even a believer that deeper the filter lower the settings?We are all Taylor made and are all different,I must say the treatments have been a success, Me being cautious is a playing factor,Im glad i started off at 18j,I benefited from it and am confident that 20j-22j wont cause damage,Playing it safe is my key these days,Even if the low triple double pulses didn't do jack(Which they have worked so far) i wouldn't off cared with the money wasted,Its more important to me to be as safe and go as low as possible with the treatments,While having success and not receiving more damage,I dont care about the money,

    I must admit even if marta is using first/second and third treatments at two low settings shes still playing it safe,Personally the more sensitive the skin is the lower the settings need to be,We all have different opinions

    Im looking forward tour feed back,Are u planing on doing any more treatments?

    Kind regards MATT

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    Hey John

    yes i dont know why Marta likes to start with the deeper filter first, im going to start with the shallow filter first for my next treatment.

    I dont have deepflushing but have back ground redness and telangiectasia which is quite superifical. Thats why im using the 560 filter.

    For my next treatment im going to start with the 560, 590 filters at 20 joules then get a small area done with the 640 filter to see how my skin reacts.If the out come is good ill go for a triple pass on my third treatment.

    I think starting with the deeper filter isn't a good idea if your trying to target telangiectasia, because by the time you get to the 560 filter your face is red and the telangiectasia aren't standining out as much, creating less of a target for the laser.

    Have you had your second treatment John?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweettooth View Post
    Hey John

    yes i dont know why Marta likes to start with the deeper filter first, im going to start with the shallow filter first for my next treatment.

    I dont have deepflushing but have back ground redness and telangiectasia which is quite superifical. Thats why im using the 560 filter.

    For my next treatment im going to start with the 560, 590 filters at 20 joules then get a small area done with the 640 filter to see how my skin reacts.If the out come is good ill go for a triple pass on my third treatment.

    I think starting with the deeper filter isn't a good idea if your trying to target telangiectasia, because by the time you get to the 560 filter your face is red and the telangiectasia aren't standining out as much, creating less of a target for the laser.

    Have you had your second treatment John?
    That's a good point,um I certainly no the back ground science to lasers/ipl,U put a red balloon in a white balloon then zap the white balloon with the laser it surpasses the white and works to the red,It makes sense to start with 560/590 i guess?Im just a confused rosacean!Stupid rosacea!!

    Let us no ur results on your next treatment,Thanx joe(go kiwis)
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    I just had another ipl treatment today,

    I did a triple pass triple pulse energies 20j,A pass with 560,590,640

    I all so did a double pass on my neck(which is bloody saw right now!got lots of ice on it)Energies 18 j,We did a pass with 590 filter and 640,

    Ill keep u guys posted,The first two treatments have mad a evident difference,Its great,


    Regards Matt,

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    Default My apologies for belated response

    Hi to both of you and apologies for not getting back sooner.

    It would seem it is always best to start with the shallower filter first and I shall explain why. Dr Crouch has designed the protocol so that it is progressively less harsh on the skin which each successive pass.

    A shallow pass is the harshest on the epidermis and as such it makes sense to get it out of the way first and then proceed to deeper filters which hurt the epidermis less.

    If you do the deeper filters first, the epidermis will be a lot more tender and hot by the time that you get to the shallow filter and you are therefore far more likely to suffer adverse effects with the 590 or 560.

    I raised this question specifically with Dr Crouch as I wondered about the order and his explanation was what I have outlined above. It took me quite a while to understand what he was saying because I am not good at mathematics nor at physics (being a lawyer I'm more the artiste type!). Eventually, it made sense though. You do the most injurious pass first and then proceed to the other passes which will be gentler.

    However, I would not worry about having reversed the order for some of your treatments because from what I've read of your treatments energies were so mild that it would have not done any harm.

    The deeper you go, the more you can crank the energy up. A 28 joule triple pulse at 695 nm would very unlikely cause a side effect. If you used the 560nm you would almost certainly get a nasty blister.

    Does that make sense? I am no expert on these matters myself but I am merely relaying the logic of the technique as explained to me by Dr Crouch. Of course, neither my explanations nor his explanations (that I have passed on here) should be considered to constitute formal advice. They are merely that, an explanation and my reporting of that explanation.

    Sweettooth, I believe that if you wish to tackle the background redness you really will need to work the energies up a little more.

    Matt I am thrilled to bits that you have had progress. This is really exciting news and I am very happy to read it.

    Another point is to remind Marta each time that when using triple pulse, she set the pulse length to 3.5ms and the delay to 30ms. This is another key part of the TRIPLC protocol from what I can tell. If the delays are less than 30ms and the energies are cranked up, then I imagine there is the risk of a blister.

    This is merely my hypothesis and I am no expert but definitely try to make a point of reminding her of that.

    All I can say is that we are very fortunate both to have an operator who is willing to listen to us and consider a new protocol and to have access to information on the protocol itself on www.triplc.info care of Dr Crouch. It is a bit of a lifeline to us here at the other end of the world that we have those two advantages.

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    [QUOTE=kypro;217226]Hi to both of you and apologies for not getting back sooner.

    It would seem it is always best to start with the shallower filter first and I shall explain why. Dr Crouch has designed the protocol so that it is progressively less harsh on the skin which each successive pass.

    A shallow pass is the harshest on the epidermis and as such it makes sense to get it out of the way first and then proceed to deeper filters which hurt the epidermis less.

    If you do the deeper filters first, the epidermis will be a lot more tender and hot by the time that you get to the shallow filter and you are therefore far more likely to suffer adverse effects with the 590 or 560.

    I raised this question specifically with Dr Crouch as I wondered about the order and his explanation was what I have outlined above. It took me quite a while to understand what he was saying because I am not good at mathematics nor at physics (being a lawyer I'm more the artiste type!). Eventually, it made sense though. You do the most injurious pass first and then proceed to the other passes which will be gentler.

    However, I would not worry about having reversed the order for some of your treatments because from what I've read of your treatments energies were so mild that it would have not done any harm.

    The deeper you go, the more you can crank the energy up. A 28 joule triple pulse at 695 nm would very unlikely cause a side effect. If you used the 560nm you would almost certainly get a nasty blister.

    Does that make sense? I am no expert on these matters myself but I am merely relaying the logic of the technique as explained to me by Dr Crouch. Of course, neither my explanations nor his explanations (that I have passed on here) should be considered to constitute formal advice. They are merely that, an explanation and my reporting of that explanation.

    Sweettooth, I believe that if you wish to tackle the background redness you really will need to work the energies up a little more.

    Matt I am thrilled to bits that you have had progress. This is really exciting news and I am very happy to read it.

    Another point is to remind Marta each time that when using triple pulse, she set the pulse length to 3.5ms and the delay to 30ms. This is another key part of the TRIPLC protocol from what I can tell. If the delays are less than 30ms and the energies are cranked up, then I imagine there is the risk of a blister.

    This is merely my hypothesis and I am no expert but definitely try to make a point of reminding her of that.

    All I can say is that we are very fortunate both to have an operator who is willing to listen to us and consider a new protocol and to have access to information on the protocol itself on www.triplc.info care of Dr Crouch. It is a bit of a lifeline to us here at the other end of the world that we have those two advantages.[/QUOT

    Read the site many a times,Ive had laser damage in the past It would be silly for some one like me not to be cautious,(Im getting improvements how can u argue with that)Im sure if i was sitting in dr crouch's chair ready to be treated he would be cautious,id make him be,ipl can be very dangerous,These energies should never be taken lightly.Turning things up can be devastating(People talk to the one treating u on safe efficient energies,Get back ground info on already treated patients do your home work!),I urge any one taking ipl to not to be overly careful but be careful.We are all different,18j on my neck caused blisters,My neck will be fine,But that's besides the point,Dr crouch's site is very helpful but merely guide lines,If they weren't guide lines he could be held accountable when the treatment levels dont work,Oh well ive been careful so far and had up to 25 percent off a turn around in my overall apperance,Go figure,But a lot of my redness was attacked by v beam,We are all different and should be treated different,by all means if lower energies dont work turn it up,But its at risk,Ipl should always be a last resort,This is not a treatment to be taken lightly,

    Dr crouch is a god send john,Let me know how your 24-28j treatment goes,

    Regards MATT,

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