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    Checked my old blood test sheets from last year, and I actually had around 22 ng/mL. I remember I was thinking it probably was a little too low, but no doctor did comment the low readings (because it was in the "normal" range), so forgot all about it.

    This thread and others concerning Vitamin D3 and Cathelicidin has given me new inspiration to up my storage of this important Vitamin. So I did buy this fermented cod liver oil from greenpasture.org. It's containing the most natural and bioavailable form of Vitamin D3 I have found (in addition to Vitamin A, protecting against Vitamin D overdose, and lots of Quinones, Vitamin K, Vitamin E, COQ enzymes etc). I'm consuming a tablespoon a day (which is around 3-4000 IU), and I think it's important that when consuming such doses, it's from a natural source containing lots of different metabolites and cofactors and not synthetic derivatives like those found in most other Vitamin products.

    Hope it will do some changes soon, my Rosacea always seems to do better in the summer, so this could really be something!

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    I was tested over a year ago and it came out to be 7.7. Since then, I have been slowly increasing my daily intake of D3 and my level is now in the 40's. I have to take 4,000 IU a day to keep that level up.

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    Any improvement rosacea-wise as a result of getting the level back to normal?

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    HI dpart,

    Cod Liver Oil may not really be the best way to raise your 25(OH)D levels:

    http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsl...december.shtml

    You may want to try a Vit D3 supplement instead, but be sure it's clearly labeled Vit D3 or Vit D "from cholecalciferol" as most experts believe that the D2 form (ergocalciferol) is not as effective...

    Hope this helps. Take care...

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    Hi Dan,

    I began supplementing with Vitamin D3 a few days ago. My levels have to be raised irrespective of the hoped for benefits rosacea wise, but after reading the couple of posts from D users who have not had improvements, I must admit I have suffered a loss of hope.

    At what point did you start to notice improvements? I see one poster has a level in the 40's. The other in the 50's. The latter has not noticed any improvements.
    I see from the many websites you posted that one has to aim for a level of around 70, which is about where you are.

    Thus, the reason I asked, at what point did you notice improvements?

    Also, are you aware of any other rosaceans who have achieved improvements with high supplementation of vitamin D3?

    Thanks!
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    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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    Hi Mistica,

    I unfortunately didn't test my 25(OH)D levels until recently, and it was at 101ng/mL then (actually a couple of months ago). I've been supplementing with Vit D3 for nearly 2 1/2 years now. I've been on 10,000iu a day for about 16 months, I was on 8000iu a day for @ 2 months prior, 6,000iu for @ 3 months prior to that, and 4000iu a day the entire previous time. Again, I don't know what my 25(OH)D levels were at the time, but I really started to notice the difference (not only in rosacea, but in general health) at the 6,000iu level, just prior to going to 8,000iu, roughly @ 12 months ago I believe. As I've said, I seem to continue to improve.

    BTW, I started on the Cpn combined antibiotic protocol and was on it for 18 months before stopping in favor of just taking the Vit D3, and I had already improved greatly before starting the Vit D3 supplementation. So it's hard to say how long it might take for someone who has currently fairly severe rosacea.

    My father though, has only been taking Vit D3 and I've watched his continuous flushing problem pretty much go away on it. He probably started really improving after about a year, when he started taking 6,000iu a day. He has since gone to 8,000iu a day and swears by the stuff, saying his continuous stiff neck is no longer a problem, that he no longer seems to get as many colds or flus and they are greatly decreased if he does get one, and he no longer seems to suffer from seasonal allergies. Oh, and he and my uncle are thrilled to find they are no longer dealing with BPH symptoms as so many older guys do. They have been turning on all their friends to Vit D3 for this reason alone. And apparently most of their friends are now thrilled that they don't have to get up to use the restroom 3-4 times a night too...

    I know this sounds almost too good to be true, but if you're like most rosaceans and avoid sunlight most of the time, I can almost guarantee that your 25(OH)D levels are very low. So give Vit D3 a shot, and work your way up slowly to what some consider the more therapeutic levels, again testing your blood levels along the way...

    Again, I'm certainly no expert, but I hope this might help...

    Take care...

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    Hi Dan,

    Thanks for the additional personal information.

    I believe I am just starting to get side effects, as my left cheek and mouth area is definitely worse. The pressure in my cheeks, particularly the left cheek is bothering me.

    That aside, you have spoken about a great flushing reduction in both yourself and your father, but I also wondered about baseline redness and visible blood vessels.
    The photo you compared yourself with, taken from the NZ derm site was very red.
    Are you pale now? Do you have visible vessels? If so, do you feel the only way to remove these is with IPL/Laser?

    I am assuming the flushing your father suffered with is also from rosacea?
    Does he still have baseline redness?

    I don't know what my current D levels are, but seeing I was deficient one and a half years ago and have been housebound ever since, I know my levels will be even lower now.
    I wish raising them was quick and easy without side effects though.
    All rosacea is horrible. Severe rosacea is a nightmare.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
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    Hi Jenny,

    What is the dose of vit D you are taking right now and is it the dry tablet form?
    Perhaps you can lower it and start more slowly?
    Also, I remember Dan recommended using ibuprofen as necessary for its anti-inflammatory properties to help you in the beginning of your vit D supplementation. Might be worth trying out.

    Best wishes,
    Melissa

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    Hi Mistica,

    Sorry to hear you are reacting already. Hopefully it will be manageable for you...

    FYI too, @ 50% of the people I have convinced to take Vit D3, including myself, had heavy sinus reactions to Vit D3. Most had this reaction @ 2 months into treatment, although this varied and probably occurs when 25(OH)D levels reach a point where your immune system kicks in and kills of bacteria and fungi that are in the sinus cavity. It feels like a sinus infection, and it really is the die-off associated with a long-term sinus infection as your immune system kicks in. It may occur at each dose increase of Vit D3, but will continue to get better and better, until you might find that you breath easier through your nose than ever.

    Yes, we both had very heavy baseline redness in relation to our rosacea. And yes, we are both very pale now. I had heavy visible blood vessels at one point, but a couple of IPL sessions @ 5 years ago got rid of most of these. Quite a few came back, however, and they are now gone again without the use of IPL.

    Again, you may find some relief from Ibuprofen in order to get you over the hump of these reactions. Once you are over these reactions, you can stop taking it. I'd also consider stopping the milk thistle and green tea extract as both are 5-LOX inhibitors (which block the production of a host of leukotrienes, including leukotriene B4 which seems to have an important symbiotic relationship with cathelicidins) and will thus very likely decrease the antimicrobial activities of the cathelicidins that the Vit D3 will help produce:


    http://www.cpnhelp.org/cathelicidins_and_their_i


    Anyway, hang in there. Best of luck...

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    Hi Dan,

    It is funny you should mention the sinus problem. I suffered badly as a kid, but out grew this by my early twenties.
    Last night I mentioned to my partner that I felt like I was getting a cold, which I haven't had in years. I never get sick, so my thoughts of a cold, were based entirely on memory.
    I always find the immune system baffling, because if mine were so impeded, why don't I ever get sick? People around me drop like flies from coughs, colds, the flu and joke they want to look for the 666 in my scalp. You know, from the 'Omen' movies, because Damien wasn't affected by the gas leak in the factory, or whatever it was.

    Despite your advice and my own knowledge, I increased my dosage over a week to quite high levels as I wanted to test the boundaries. Have some idea of where I needed to be in order to see effects.
    Daft I know. I will have to drop them back, I guess. I have been tinkering with 6000 to 7000 over the last couple of days.
    I hoped I might get away with it as I am using topical sulfacetamide/sulphur, which for me works quite well as an anti inflammatory.

    I have been reading the CPN site that you posted and I see that it actually recommends quercetin, where as on other sites you posted, it wasn't recommended as it interferes with immune function. Another confusion.
    I wonder though, if I might continue to take this for the meantime, instead of ibuprofen, as I find my quercetin/bromelain/rutin combo, helps alleviate the pressure.
    Taking Ibuprofen is something I need to ask my GP about. I have a feeling I can't take it, but we shall see what he says.

    It is heartening to hear you have pale skin now. After all you have been through, it must feel such a relief.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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