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    Does anyone know of any topical products, prescription or OTC, that helps when skin has become thinned? Is there a cream that will strengthen/repair thinning skin? Thanks, Alyssa

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    I heard emu oil helps to thicken the skin.. Jojoba oil may help also.

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    One of the functions of retinoids is supposed to be the building up of the thickness of the skin. So you could look into them ("retin a", "renova" etc).

    If you have rosacea, though, retinoids are generally a bad idea. They are aggressive (this is how they work, jump-starting the skin into action), and anything that's aggressive is a no-no for rosaceans. Personally, I've had a terrible time with them.

    Topical vitamin C, is another route. I think that we're talking something pretty similar to retinoids, in terms of action and results.
    If you were to do this, avoid cheap topical vitamin c preparations, which are less than useless. You'd want to go for something like 'magnesium ascorbyl phosphate'. You'd probably have to get it from a derm. It can be a little expensive.
    Again, though, with rosacea, this is probably all going to be too harsh.

    Another thing you might try is Epidermal Growth Factor, although by all reports, this is one of those cases where the theory outstrips the results. I'm not sure people have found it that great.

    In general, I think you may be on a bit of a looser, trying to thicken the skin. Its going to be something where its pretty hard to escape the dictates of your genes.
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    I don't know of anything now either to thicken thin skin. I am in the same boat. Maybe something will come along but until then-- the watchword is caution. We have to treat our skin like a delicate piece of cloth ,silk perhaps that we are going to be with for a long time, hopefully.So no tugging or harsh chemicals, everything way gentle. I also think plenty of water each day, omega 3, good overall multi, possibly avoiding make up or just on rare occassion. Just bothering the skin as little as possible and not being sucked in by so called "gentle products" that have a boatload of chemicals. Sun avoidance, maybe even sunscreen avoidance--I know that is not a popular thing to say but so many of those have really harsh chemicals in them that may in fact turn out to be carcinogenic. Look up environmental working group reports on sunscreens it is an eye opener. I live in a moist climate, without too much extremes hot/cold. I think extreme climates with need for heat for months and a/c for months , has got to be hard on the skin too.And, of course dry climates--not so good. I think we sensitive skin rosaceans just can't do the things that perhaps the majority can get away with. It's just the way it is.

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    Thanks for all your responses. They are very helpful. I avoid the sun like the plague but if I avoided makeup, I'd never leave the house.

    How about copper peptide creams? Has anyone had any experiences with them? I have damage to the skin under and around my nose from too aggressive laser treament on skin that was already thinned. Now I have some scarring as well as areas under my nose where I can see all my caps under my skin, so it is permanently red. I posted on Ask Dr Garcia (great web site for cosmetic questions: http://www.lvcosmeticsurgery.com/qanda_search.asp) and he suggested copper peptides. However, after doing some research, they are supposed to rejuvinate skin partly by stimulating angiogenesis, which seems like a really bad idea for us rosaceans.

    I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has had any success with copper peptides.

    jmacguire--to start a new thread, just go into the forum you want and hit start new topic.

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    Hi alyfpet,

    I posted two questions to that doc as well regarding the same problem!

    I have concerns about copper peptides as I have read some very disturbing things about them.
    Some people get excellent results, but others say the peptides completely destroyed their skin. It appears there is scientific proof that this can happen in some cases, albeit rare. They creams are supposed to be irritating too. Even in normal people.
    I guess the best route is to do lots of research and speak to a derm who actually carries a range.

    Needling is supposed to help thicken skin.( Also used for acne scars). The mechanism of action, supposedly, is by inflicting controlled damage to the skin, it will stimulate collagen and cause the skin to repair itself. This is usually done in conjunction with topicals, but perhaps some benefits might be achieved without them.
    I am not sure how well that would work on delicate and sensitive skin. I certainly couldn't see it being performed on large areas, but perhaps small areas might be ok.
    There are various 'rolling' needling devices on the market today. They remind me of the tool gardeners use to aerate the lawn.

    As it happens, I exchange emails quite frequently with a doctor who employs needling as part of his regime for his rosacea patients. He also builds up the skin with increasing doses of topical A and C. These irritated the hell out of my skin. His patients might be the kind who have lots of pustules, and no flushing. From what I have seen so far, they seem to be able to tolerate more in the way of topicals.
    Anyway, recently I did ask him about the needling, so I will let you know what his opinion is.

    Other than that, how about some 'light' therapy, which would include 'red' at least and perhaps some other wavelengths as well?
    I have terrible flushing rosacea and damage from IPL, and over all, the condition of my skin is poor.
    A few days ago I consulted a doctor about having some 'in clinic' treatment and she feels I should gain some improvement for my problems. We are starting with just 'red'.
    I chose to go to a doctor, as my case is a complex one. Also, their unit is likely to give me more improvements in a shorter time. If it works for me, I can always do maintenance with a home device at a later date. Let's see what happens first.

    Now I have rattled on about damage and texture problems, I guess I should ask you to clarify if your problems are true scarring? Scars are different. Do they look shiny? Raised or depressed?
    If so, you could also consider the Genesis Laser.

    All these suggestions are just 'suggestions' of course. You would need to discuss them with a doctor What I have found during my investigations with doctors is, unless they have a very broad range of knowledge and incorporate the use of various 'toys', their opinion on something they might not know about is likely to be poor.
    It is a matter of shopping around and finding something which you feel might help you.

    Anyway I will let you know how I get on with RLT (+) for my particular problems and I will share anything that the 'needling' doc emails to me.

    Meanwhile good luck and keep searching
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    If you want to purchase magnesium ascorbyl phosphate, as The Medium Dog suggested, you can order it online at Skin Actives Scientific and add it to the cream you are currently using.

    If you want to thicken skin, why don't you look into collagen boosters and things that keep moisture in? That should result in plumper looking skin. Isn't Coenzyme Q10 supposed to help build collagen? I think that's in a lot of different products. You can purchase epidermal growth factor at Skin Actives Scientific as well. Be wary of this if you have any skin cancer in your family, as this will cause growth of cancer cells as well.

    Here's a list of properties you could be interested in and what active ingredients do this. Once you find a few ingredients you like the look of, you can hit the drug store and see if you can find any creams that contain these ingredients.

    http://www.skinactives.com/product/property.aspx

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    It would be interesting to get some information about skin and thinning. I do not tend to believe that it is as widespread as commonly believed. I can ask Dr Chu when I next see him but that is not until the new year.

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    This site has a fast search engine on papers
    http://lib.bioinfo.pl

    Here's one paper on Protopic increasing thickness

    Effects of 1-year intermittent treatment with topical tacrolimus monotherapy on skin collagen synthesis in patients with atopic dermatitis.

    http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:15214906

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    Quote Originally Posted by phlika29 View Post
    It would be interesting to get some information about skin and thinning. I do not tend to believe that it is as widespread as commonly believed. I can ask Dr Chu when I next see him but that is not until the new year.
    I agree with you Sarah. Those have been my thoughts for a while.
    We all hear about rosaceans with thin skin, but I wonder if the correct term would be an impaired barrier.
    My skin is translucent in areas. Particularly on the inner cheeks.
    When I first started IPL years ago, during the days when my docs patients were 90% rosaceans, I used to see many of them and rarely did I see anyone who I felt had the fine skin I have. ( which is much worse now).

    Just an aside, I seem to have thin skin in general. Especially my chest and inner arms. You can see major veins in my wrists and hands. I wonder if this is some kind of genetic fault and connected to rosacea in a remote way?

    Lastly, with regard to Alyfpet and anyone else who has suffered damage from IPL or any laser,... 'makemeheal.com', has started a support group for such people.
    This is an excerpt from an email they sent me.

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    "I created this group today. I'm sending out emails to others who've contacted me regarding serious issues with lasers, IPL, etc. to join the support group. If you are interested please join. It may help you through all of this. Someone from the Associated Press contacted me today regarding another issue and she says she wants to do an article on the issues people are having with lasers/IPL. This could be the catalyst for investigations for those who've been damaged! Here is a link to the group. Hopefully others will join in! http://dailystrength.org/groups/laser-and-ipl-support DCNGA'

    ************************************************** ***

    This might be worth looking into.
    I have looked at boards before, where those with IPL/Laser damage have been brave enough to display their injuries. These boards were controlled by doctors and each time, within hours, those photos have been removed.
    Why the need to hide these people? Fear of financial/legal ramifications, perhaps.
    Previous Numerous IPL.
    Supplements: Niacinamide, Vit K2, low D3, Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Very low dose B's. Low dose zinc (to correct deficiency).
    Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA.

    Treating for gut dysbiosis under specialist care. (This is helping).
    Previous GAPS diet. Testing tolerance of resistant starch.
    Fermented Foods. 2 to 3 days per week, Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.

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