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    Default Cheap RLT

    I've found what seems to me to be a pretty cheap and easy way of setting up an RLT system. Thought I'd share.

    What I've done is just to purchase some LED bulbs, and stick them in a regular 2-head floor-standing lamp. This makes a pretty convenient system. I use it while sat down.

    The particular bulbs I got are these.

    I bought 2 (to begin with) which works out at 30 for 100 LED's, which seems pretty good to me, when you compare it with the LED-per- level of the devices being sold. And indeed, these bulbs were some of the more expensive ones around; you can get LED bulbs that cost only a little more than an energy-saving lightbulb (though they have fewer LED's in).

    They're not that difficult to find - just Google them. I found they were stocked by either electrical specialists, or, strangely enough, DJ stores.

    One thing that does make this a slightly tricky option is the frequency of the light. 660nm has been flagged as an optimum frequency. Its a deep dark red. However, since this is getting on near the portion of the spectrum we humans don't see, there isn't much demand for such lightbulbs. Instead, most manufacturers produce bulbs giving off a brighter red, which is 630nm. Its far far easier to find these than the 660nm bulbs, although I have seen the latter around.

    My bulbs are 630nm. However, I am personally not too hung up on this matter. Here, at Heelspurs, you can read about RLT, and it is said that 630nm is probably just as beneficial as 660nm, and in the same way.

    So there we are

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    I have been using the setup for about 2 weeks now so I thought I'd post my experience.

    (I began with very short sessions - less than 5 minutes - in the first few days, and gradually built up, as recommended. At the moment I would say I use the system for about 30 mins, split between two sessions; though I'm not particularly strict with the timing.

    A downside to my setup is that it does not cover my whole face. So, that 30 mins is closer to 1 hour actually spent with the light on, though each individual bit of my face receives a lot less than 1 hour. I may invest in 2 more bulbs soon, to remedy this inconvenience).

    Once I got up to the full 'dosage' (near the end of the first week) the results were modestly spectacular.

    The 'softness' that others have reported, I also experienced. The effect feels similar to that of a well-formulated moisturiser.

    On the same theme, the chronic dryness of my skin, and associated flakiness, has reduced a great deal. Most noticeable has been my forehead, which was previously an area perpetually covered in dead flaky skin. It now feel normal. But also, previously, after a shower (despite using an ultra-mild cleanser), my face would feel taught. No more.
    The skin is still over-dry, with dead skin flaking off abnormally in the worst-affected patches, and I have not noticed any greater improvement since those initial effects; though it is early days. But still, those effects are undeniable.
    On the other hand I haven't noticed any reduction in the oiliness of the skin. I thought I might, since it seemed likely it was compensation for the dryness. But it seems not.

    Slightly more tentatively, I would say there has been an improvement in skin texture, or the general health of the skin. It seems to be a little less 'dead'...a bit more 'glossy' (not in a bad way, not 'shiny').
    As I say, that is a tentative observation, but one thing that makes me think it is more than subjective, is that I'm almost certain my p&p's have improved.
    For a few days I thought the RLT had eradicated my p&p's completely. Well, I have a few little fella's testifying against that conclusion, but I'm pretty much certain that I have fewer p&p's now than I would typically have had pre-RLT.
    Furthermore, the skin also seems to deal with p&p's better - they seem to last less long, heal better, and bumps that previously would have progressed into full-blown p&p's now seem to die down instead.
    As I say, its not a total improvement; but I would say it has 'raised the bar' in terms of my skin's propensity to break out.

    As for base redness, I can't say I have observed any improvement. I wouldn't really have expected to see anything in this short time, though. But the effects I have observed make me pretty hopeful that I might see improvement here, over time.

    The same for flushing - I've noticed no change, although this would be another long-term thing.

    Finally, just a comment on the effect people have reported, that their skin seems less red immediately after their RLT session. My experience is that my red-green perception is completely messed up for a good 5 - 10 minutes after a session, so I really can't judge anything about the redness of my face with any confidence at all. Admittedly, I don't wear goggles (since I have no infra-red in my setup; I do close my eyes); but are those who do wear goggles completely sure their colour perception still isn't being effected? Anyway...

    In conclusion, I am really amazed by the effects of RLT.

    I have to say I was a sceptic. There is so much dubious and speculative information around concerning rosacea treatments; and RLT seemed no better attested than any other exotic potion. It just seemed unlikely to work - after all, isn't red light included in the light coming out of just about every light-source, meaning you're exposed to it for most of the day anyway? (If you read the Heelspurs info-sheet above it says that halogen bulbs, for example, give out lots of light in the red portion of the spectrum).

    Perhaps the concentration/intensity of being close to the LED's for a sustained period is the crucial thing...

    But whatever, the effect is real. For me, I would rank it just below antibiotics and IPL in terms of the magnitude of its effects; something not to be used on its own perhaps, but, as others have said, as an adjunctive treatment.

    A lot to say after only two weeks. Hopefully, there'll be more to say in the future.

    (Note - Stupidly, I started taking HCL supplements at the same time as beginning RLT. Consequently, I can't isolate the effects of RLT with certainty. However, since the HCL supplement is supposed to work by, roughly, improving one's digestion, and since my digestion appears not to have improved, I feel pretty confident attributing the effects to the RLT. I'm going to stop them, anyway, so I'll post if that changes anything.

    Another thing I should say is that over the past months I have strenuously avoided going outdoors any more than I have to. So I am quite starved of sunlight. This may make me peculiarly receptive to RLT; if I had been getting normal amounts of sunlight, perhaps the effects would have been less dramatic.)

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    Hi MediumDog,

    That is wonderful news!
    Please do keep us posted as to your long term results.

    Best wishes,
    Melissa

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    Will do

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    Well I've been off HCL supplements for long enough to now say that they played no part in the effects reported above. (Indeed I think they may have made my skin a little worse, but whatever...; they were certainly doing my digestion no good at all).

    The softness and lack of flakiness has continued, though not improved any further.

    On the other hand, I think I would withdraw the claims about RLT reducing my p&p's/aiding their recovery. In fact, over this longer period, I don't think I've seen any change.

    Occasionally, indeed, I am tempted to think the RLT promotes p&p's a little, but that is probably not right. There's a natural temptation to connect p&p's with something you are actively 'doing' (rather than an underlying problem), and this is probably what's going on.

    Flushing? Base redness? No change, I think - not yet.

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    Sometimes I think the light therapy does increase p&p's but it is hard to say. It could also be an initial worsening phase before you see improvement. I also am not sure if the light is doing anything but I am still doing it until I know for sure, one way or another.

    Best wishes,
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    Yes, I think that since this is a cumulative, long-term treatment, one just has to do it for a while to give it a chance.

    So you've had thoughts that it might be worsening p&p's too? It can't be, can it, surely?

    Have you read anything saying the effects get worse before better?

    By the way melissa, how's the tapering off minocycline going? Any scares, or has it been ok? I sometimes forget to take it for a day or two and think occasionally my skin actually improves. More mind-tricks presumably.

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    I started taking the mino every other day and then every 2 days and then I just got tired and stopped it completely. So, I didn't taper as gradually as I initially planned to (maybe over 2 weeks) but it has been about a week that I haven't taken any mino and I feel fine. When I first started tapering my skin never looked clearer LOL but now I do have a red bump (albeit very small) so I guess I will find out soon enough if I'm in trouble.

    Concerning the RLT, I did notice in the beginning that I was getting some p&p's (in Oct/Nov- when I first began light therapy) and I did post the same question to the Forum. One person thought that it might get worse before it got better if there was a "die-off" stage of mites for example. I am not convinced of that but anyway, it never got to any full blown p&p's (thank goodness). The most I ever got was a few but I never got any really once I was on the mino before I started the light therapy. So, I am not sure what was going on there. It could have been so many things. Change in weather, stress of work (plenty of that), etc.

    Recently I switched from infrared and red to all red and I am interested to see if there is any difference. Only wrinkle in all of this is that I was planning to begin Oracea after I tapered off the mino but if I want to continue light therapy I can't as doxy causes photosensitivity. So, right now, I am not planning to begin Oracea unless I have a bad outbreak or some other minor catastrophe occurs. I am determined to stick with the light therapy until I know one way or another so I hope I don't need to begin the Oracea. It was OK to take mino during the light therapy as that does not have the same photosensitizing effects as doxy.

    I have been doing the red light for 5-10 min each day since the end of last week and so far no change but my fingers are crossed for improvement in my flushing and burning so hopefully I will have something good to report in the future. Either way I will keep you posted.
    Good luck MediumDog!!

    Best wishes,
    Melissa

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    Default Another possibility?

    Greetings all. I actually signed on just to ask for opinions on this, and this thread seemed the appropriate place to post this.

    First off - no - I'm not a shill. I'm not affiliated with these people in any way. That said, go to ledgrowlights.com, and look at item number R180XB on the products page (I'd post links, but the board won't let me because I'm a noob.)

    It's like $100, but it's 5.5" across, and looks pretty bright, and screws into a standard socket. I have the capability of buying LEDs and making my own, but I haven't got anything like the spare time. Honestly, it might be cost effective considering time saved, and I'm thinking that if it doesn't work, I can always turn it on my plants.

    I've emailed them asking precisely what wavelength they use, but I'm thinking it's likely 630nm. We'll see.

    Thoughts? Comments? Does the potential benefit justify the cost?

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    I bought a bulb with 80 red diodes, 4 watts, $24 including shipping. Here is the link

    http://www.goldengadgets.com/product...roducts_id=329

    I do a split face test - use the bulb only on my right cheek and see if there is difference with the left side. For a split face test, that bulb is more than sufficient. I personally would refrain from buying anything more expensive untill my experiment shows there is a benefit I am looking for.

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