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    I sent her a note. It's terrible what she's endured. I hope that with time her skin heals. This is a cautionary tale and she was very brave to share it.

    Hopefully others will read of her experience and stay away from the Institute -- and Nase. (Where's that "burn in h*ll" smilie when you need it?!)

    Happiness is a choice.

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    I also PM'd her this AM because I wanted to offer her support etc. so I hope she does stay here and receives helpful info and support from everyone at the forum.

    Thanks Corinna!!

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    Thank you for such sweet and supportive comments. That was very nice.

    If I did get anything beneficial from the whole experience it was the discovery of the gel masks that I was given at the clinic. Apparently, they are given in spas and for people after laser surgery. For those rosacea sufferers out there who don't know about them, they are heavenly! They are a gel mask that you keep in the fridge (I pull mine out about 5 min. before wearing or it is too cold) ... anyway, I can be in the middle of a stinging red fiery flush after a shower or going outside, and when I lay this gel mask on my face it is the most WONDERFUL thing. It pulls all the red out, soothes the burning and is just plain heaven.

    I searched the internet to find them and found this place:

    http://www.spabodyworkmarket.com/Pro...AC%20MASK.html

    But someone might find a better price somewhere else. One mask will last a good while and they are not that expensive. I get the one with green tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustSomeGal View Post
    I was an actual patient from the Rosacea Treatment Institute of Texas. How I wish that I had found and read the reports on on this forum before going there. Like others, before going I had email correspondence and a phone consultation with "Dr." Nase. He is not a medical doctor. In my phone conversation, I should have been weary that he talked just as much about his divorce from his wife than my rosacea treatment. But I was so very much wanting all of it to be true, that I was blind.

    I had to travel quite a long distance to fly to Texas. I spent $949 on the hotel they had a discount with (The Residence Inn), $418 on a rental car, plus flight cost to have this treatment done. The actual treatmet costs were $3600 for 7 treatments with the YAG and the Sciton Profile BBL lasers. Plus when you get there, you have to buy there "treatment" products, which were DynoMins Zinc, La Roche-Posay Thermal Spring Water, Advanced MSM, a NatraGel face mask (I had to buy three of these) and Angiostop totaling over $200. I never met Dr. Nase (which caught me off guard). I only met Dr. Nielson on the first day for maybe ten minutes, then again on a Saturday when he did one of the treatments. The rest of the time I was with Renee who is their laser "specialist". She talked non stop about her personal life. This was not the most professional office I have been in. You have to get your photographs before and after treatment, and you are assured that both Dr. Nielson and Nase are closely following your progress via computer. You never actually see or talk with them.

    I too was promised by Dr. Nase for a "cure". That I would never have the beat red face after warm showers and that I could enjoy my life again. Well, after looking horrific during my treatments (they produce photocoagulation which looks like severe acne), enduring all of the laser treatments, following the protocol, using the masks as instructed, I can now verify to the world that I was not only scammed, but harmed. My treatment dates were in the middle of September, 2007. It took me a month to recover from the effects of the laser, but the tragic thing is I am far, far worse in the advancement of the disease than when I went. I used to blush after hot showers or bad chemicals on my face ... no papules, no acne .. just a little redness. Now, I have permanent redness, I have papules with clear liquid, I have uneven bumbiness, I have burning, itching, and I am EXTREMELY sensitive now to the sun and showers. I used to be able to put makeup on and everyone thought I had very beautiful skin. Now, makeup looks crusty on my parched, flaking skin. I put olive oil on it now and it just drinks it up. On the cheeks next to my nose the oil producing ability has been destroyed. I am frightful to look at now.

    There is something else that was very scary. They "prescribe" this supplement Angiostop. Which is an untested herbal supplement that comes from a sea creature. I took the one month's supply as told but was experiencing severe dizziness, heart palpitations, etc. I wrote to Nase about these symptoms and NEVER heard from him. He already had my money. I knew then that I had been scammed. He absolutely did not care about his "patients". Once you are in the door and paid your money, his job is done.

    I went to this clinic because of the promises of Nase. I was very scared that the rosacea was progressing with me and I went through with this to halt its progression. To my horror, I advanced it far beyond what I ever thought I would experience.

    I wrote to Nase again to tell him of the awful results seven months later. Shock ... no response.

    Blue Cross / Blue Shield has yet to pay. RTIT's help with any medical claims is nonexistent. After much asking, I finally got a single sheet letter from the RTIT that was rejected by BCBS. We are still fighting with the insurance company to pay, but I am not holding my breath. There was ZERO, I mean ZERO help from Nase to help with the insurance claim even though he promised to help in my initial phone conversation and told me that people were having good success at getting their insurance to pay for it.

    I am on this forum to tell this story in the hopes that it would save even ONE other person in this world from falling victim to this scam. I was a sucker because I wanted to believe all the claims were true. I wanted to get better. I wanted a cure. If anyone can hear me out there, listen .... this is not a cure. This is a scam to take your money. My heart is absolutely broken that they have patients all the way from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa who go to even farther extremes to get to this place only to be suckered in. For these my heart breaks.

    At this point, I am going to put my trust in the Lord to heal me. I have been taught such a lesson about trusting in man.
    Hello

    Like Melissa and Corinna I would also like to say how sorry I am that you have had to endure this experience with Nase and Nielson at the RTIT. I sincerely hope that as time goes on your skin will recover and maybe you can find a genuine, sympathetic expert who can help you back to some form of normality again. If you need help and advice then both this Forum and the Rosacea Support Forum are good places to be.


    Here is a link to a thread where Justin asked for advice on the RSF after having his skin damaged at the RTIT.


    http://rosacea-support.org/forum/vie....php?f=3&t=336


    Thank you for having the courage to come on here and share your horrific story in public so it will help protect others from falling into the same trap. Despite receiving criticism, this is exactly the same reason why some of us have also posted continual warnings about Nase’s fraudulent activities and maybe some will take notice now and see that everything we have said about him is true. God knows how many others have been seriously harmed but haven't yet come forward.

    From what I understand the Indiana Authorities are now trying to get to grips with what Nase has been doing and every complaint made will hopefully bring about some form of justice and have this man stopped once and for all. It may also be possible to reclaim some or all of the money you have been conned out of? Anyway there is an online form available which I hope you will complete.


    http://atgindsha01.atg.in.gov/cpd/co...complaint.html


    Good luck and please keep us all updated with your condition.

    Peter

    P.S I hope that anyone who has read this poor woman's story doesn't attempt to tell us that they feel sorry for Nase or that he isn't beyond redemption.


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    Dear Justsomegal,

    I am so so so sorry to hear about this trauma that you have endured. NO ONE should have to go through what you went through, and I do hope that you are blessed with a quick healing and full recovery of your skin.

    Perhaps Justsomegal's post should stand alone as it's own thread? Mods?

    Millie

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    Hello JustSomeGal

    Hope you are bearing up ok at the moment? I had some spare time last night to read through your post again regarding your disgraceful treatment at the RTIT. I know this is still very traumatic for you but I have made some obversations on various points and was wondering if you could answer some questions? If you can it will make certain things more clearer and also could well help another innocent sufferer who stumbles on this site as you did. Here goes:

    I should have been weary that he talked just as much about his divorce from his wife than my rosacea treatment. But I was so very much wanting all of it to be true, that I was blind.
    Nase's wife divorced him in 2001! When he was caught faking cancer in 2005, he made a big fuss on the boards about how terrible it was that his wife had moved far away with their son. It was all a lie because they never left Indianapolis.

    Did he explain why he was now suddenly bringing it up with you, a stranger and a client, 7 years after the event?


    only met Dr. Nielson on the first day for maybe ten minutes, then again on a Saturday when he did one of the treatments. The rest of the time I was with Renee who is their laser "specialist". She talked non stop about her personal life. This was not the most professional office I have been in. You have to get your photographs before and after treatment, and you are assured that both Dr. Nielson and Nase are closely following your progress via computer. You never actually see or talk with them.

    That is interesting because on May 7th last year Melissa had a phone consultation with Nase. "He said that the patients are treated by all 3 doctors. Himself, Nielsen (who does the laser) and Clark the physcisist." Well that struck us as obviously untrue because Nase never goes to Texas, Nielson is a surgeon who makes even more money from his ETS operations and Clark works for a big laser firm training other people to use laser machines. He doesn't perform treatments himself and would have no reason to meet patients. Why wouldn't their laser technician Renee be doing most of the work?

    Last July Nase wrote on this board: "I am the main consultant to all prospective patients, I evaluate patient responses and results every single day, patients can talk to me any time, and all te doctors collaborate every day on each patient. These are my talents and they are now being put to their best use. Without much advertising we now have 7 to 9 patients every day, 6 days a week -- all through patient referral which is the best feedback you can get."

    Someone else heard at the same time that they had treated about 280 patients in 8 months, which is only around 1 or 2 per day. Did you form any idea of how busy the place was with rosacea patients or was it mostly people having ETS surgery?


    I too was promised by Dr. Nase for a "cure". That I would never have the beat red face after warm showers and that I could enjoy my life again.
    Did you get any of the promises in writing? The reason I ask is because another woman had a phone consultation and was promised decades of clearance if she would pay $4,500 for 8 laser treatments within less than two weeks. Because most people who have laser or IPL need regular maintenance treatments, she asked the RTIT staff to put that in writing but they wouldn't so she wisely cancelled.

    Did either Nase or anyone else warn you about side effects?

    Nase told Melissa "They have done over 950 cases and only 2 people had any bad side effects and those were a bubble blister gone in 2 days." What did they say to you during the treatments when you were obviously reacting so badly?

    There is something else that was very scary. They "prescribe" this supplement Angiostop. Which is an untested herbal supplement that comes from a sea creature. I took the one month's supply as told but was experiencing severe dizziness, heart palpitations, etc. I wrote to Nase about these symptoms and NEVER heard from him. He already had my money. I knew then that I had been scammed. He absolutely did not care about his "patients". Once you are in the door and paid your money, his job is done.
    Perhaps you should report this bad side effect to the FDA?

    Maybe also to Quackwatch, which is a site particularly interested in hearing about untested supplements with overblown health claims.

    There was ZERO, I mean ZERO help from Nase to help with the insurance claim even though he promised to help in my initial phone conversation and told me that people were having good success at getting their insurance to pay for it.
    Nase had been telling clients they could easily afford laser treatment because almost all of the money should be refunded by their insurance companies "within 60 days on average". He wrote on his site on 5th May 2007 "Insurance Reimbursement Actively Pursued for every Patient: Every single patient treated at the Rosacea Institute is now given 5 key documents including 2007 CPT/Diagnostic Codes, Medical References, Medical Necessity Codes and information demonstrating that insurance will actually benefit by supporting laser treatments & reimbursement."

    Were you told why you couldn't have those five essential documents?

    Appreciate your help if you are able to fill in some gaps?

    Regards

    Peter

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    I am also one who sadly went to the same clinic and had the exact same treatment. My face also is way worse than when I started. It has been 6 months now and I can hardly take it any more. This is like my worst nightmere come true. I don't know what else to do it's not getting better. I don't know who to turn to now. My face is ruined from this treatment. I hope that no one ever goes back to this clinic. I will accept any and all advise.

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    jp - Did you also "consult" with nase over the telephone? Who did your treatments?

    So so so so so so sorry to hear about your face - tragic. My heart goes out to you. Lots can be learned from this forum that will lead you to healing.

    Millie

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    And to think Nase will be the one holding the laser now.

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    Millie yes I did cousult with Nase over the phone. Dr. Nielson did my first treatment and than Renee did the other six. I am still praying that I will heal and at least go back to where I started. All this info is so confusing on what to try. I saw my derm a couple of months ago and she reccommended I take Oracea. I am confused cuz I have no P&P's, and I thought that oracea was only for that. I did begin to finally take it on may 1, so I'll see how it goes. Besides that I am not doing anything else. I am extremely gun shy right now considering I did not really try anything prior to the laser. Oh how I wish I had found this forum before I did the laser, but I was coned like many others and am now in the depths of depression as a result. I do appreciate all of the advise and my heart goes out to the other girl who had a similiar expierence.

    JP

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