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    Default Treatment Reports from Rosacea Treatment Institute of Texas

    From another thread, this was requested:

    "A quick FYI summary would be appreciated."

    Whilst I haven't been posting much of late, I have been reading. One thing that struck me is that currently there is no thread that concisely summarises the feedback from people who have had contact with the RTIT. That is, it's difficult for anyone considering this option to make an informed decision...having to ferret through pages upon pages of posts...some relevant and some not so relevant.

    This thread has been created to help Rosaceans sort out what is on offer at the RTIT. A digest of statements from patients who have been treated there, and from clients who have had phone or email consultations with Geoffrey Nase in Indiana and/or detailed discussions with staff actually working at the institute in Texas.

    There are already several threads up for discussion about the RTIT, so can we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE...did I say PLEASE limit this thread to actual patient/client statements...no narky stuff please!

    Here's the summary:

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    PATIENT #1: MWilson21 / mmwils12

    Phone calls with Peggy, phone consultation with Nase, then
    treatment in San Antonio.

    COST:
    INSURANCE:
    TREATMENT: Sciton BBL combined with YAG
    RECOMMENDATION: 2 to 4 series of treatments (1 series being
    3 treatments every other day) 2 to 4 weeks apart.
    RESULT: Good results initially but reported "severe
    flushing" 8 months later at Rosacea Support Group.

    December 13 & 14, 2006: Rosacea Treatment Institute of
    Texas
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=4700

    March 1, 2007: Dr Nase Texas Institute now up!
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...=asc&start=120

    March 7, 2007: VISITORS TO SAN ANTONIO ROSACEA CLINIC
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...r=asc&start=15

    November 16, 2007:
    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/97923
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    PATIENT #2: Geoffrey Nase, posing as a New York physician,
    Dr. J.J. / JJ_NYUMED

    Claimed to have had a phone consultation with himself, with
    treatment booked for three weeks later.

    COST:
    INSURANCE:
    TREATMENT: Wanted lasers and "iontophoretic botox" for his
    bright red ears.
    RECOMMENDATION: Triple pass laser and injecting the front
    and sides of ears with BOTOX.

    January 16, 2007: Please...'bear' with me...
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=4935
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    PATIENT #3: Cindy / cmcgeorge

    Phone consultation with Nase, then treatment in San Antonio.

    COST: $600 per session.
    INSURANCE: Nase said he would do all he could to get her
    insurance reimbursement but the RTIT secretaries said they
    did not think insurance would pay.
    TREATMENT: Multipass laser treatment. Tobradex & Restasis
    eye drops.
    PERFORMED BY: Dr. Nielson (ETS surgeon & owner of the RTIT)
    RECOMMENDATION: 6 sessions. Only had 2.
    RESULT: Helped the mild facial redness and flushing. Did
    not help the occular symptoms. Flare-ups continue to happen.
    OBSERVATIONS: Nase "seems as if treating my difficult case
    would be a piece of cake". "Dr. Neilson is the only one in
    the office who talks to Nase, not the secretaries or
    nurses."

    July 11 & 12, 2007: Dr Nase sets the record straight with
    facts
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...=asc&start=120
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...=asc&start=135

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    PATIENT #4: Patrick Phillips

    Phone consultations with Nase, treatment in San Antonio.

    COST:
    INSURANCE:
    TREATMENT: Ivermectin for 90 days and several laser
    treatments ("a variety").
    RECOMMENDATION: As above.

    July 23 & 28, 2007: My experience with Dr. Nase
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=9553
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    CLIENT #1: Unnamed Forum member, identity verified by the
    board owner.

    Phone call with Sarah, Dr. Nielson's appointment
    coordinator.

    COST: $600 per session.
    INSURANCE: Currently not accepting or helping to facilitate
    health insurance reimbursement.
    TREATMENT: Each session includes a flushing process then 3
    passes with IPL incorporating a cooling process. Session
    lasts approximately 1 hour.
    RECOMMENDATION: 3 sessions - Thursday / Saturday / Monday =
    $1,800. Most patients need around 8 sessions for good
    results = $4,800.
    EXPECT: Redness, swelling and purpura.

    May 3, 2007: VISITORS TO SAN ANTONIO ROSACEA CLINIC
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...r=asc&start=45
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    CLIENT #2: Melissa, Forum moderator

    Phone consultation with Nase.

    COST: $600 per session. Course of 6 treatments = $3,600.
    INSURANCE: Nase handles the paperwork and says most likely
    most of the cost will be covered.
    TREATMENT: Preflushing, then Sciton Multipass laser: Yag
    1064, blue light, and IPL. 3-4 passes with all lasers in
    each session. Treatments on alternate days with 2 treatments
    back to back over 10 days.
    RECOMMENDATION: Average of 6 treatments needed.
    EXPECT: No touchups required, no risk of scarring. They
    have done over 950 cases and only 2 people had any bad side
    effects and those were a bubble blister gone in 2 days.

    May 7, 2007: VISITORS TO SAN ANTONIO ROSACEA CLINIC
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...r=asc&start=90
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...=asc&start=105
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    CLIENT #3: Unnamed

    Phone consultation with Nase, emails with Nase & RTIT staff.

    COST: Original quote was $4,500 for 8 sessions.
    INSURANCE:
    TREATMENT: Multipass treatment.
    RECOMMENDATION: 9 sessions with the Sciton triple-pass
    laser over 12 or 13 days.
    EXPECT: Will clear capillaries and redness for decades and
    reduce blushing to 3 on a scale of 1 to 10. Staff would NOT
    put this in writing.

    May 10, 2007: VISITORS TO SAN ANTONIO ROSACEA CLINIC
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...=asc&start=105
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    CLIENT #4: DG

    Phone consultation with Nase. Booked treatment for August,
    but cancelled.

    COST: $3,900 for complete course of treatments.
    INSURANCE: Told "most people are having success with
    insurance".
    TREATMENT: 7 Sciton Multipass sessions & Ivermectin for 90
    days & antibiotics.
    RECOMMENDATION: As above.
    COMMENT: "They have been treating for about 8 months and
    seen about 280 patients. Evidently they are reporting mixed
    results."

    July 23 & 28, 2007: *****Rosacea Treatment Institute of
    Texas*****
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=9564
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    CLIENT #5: cashisclay

    Phone consultation with Nase.

    COST: Around $3,000 because offering 2 free treatments in
    September.
    INSURANCE: Nase says they pay 75-100% in almost all cases.
    TREATMENT: Laser treatment.
    RECOMMENDATION: 6 or 7 sessions within one week will "knock
    the rosacea out of the park".
    EXPECT: NO follow-ups needed.

    September 9, 2007: SPOKE WITH DR. NASE....FINALLY!
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewtopic.php?t=11340
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    CLIENT #6: Unnamed

    Phone consultation with Geoffrey Nase.

    COST: $500 per session for a course of 8.
    INSURANCE:
    TREATMENT: Multipass IPL treatment.
    RECOMMENDATION: 8 sessions within 2 weeks.
    EXPECT: Maximum 5 days downtime from photocoagulation
    (brown spots).

    Further information from Ann at the institute: "Most
    patients left very swollen and red. Since she never saw them
    again, she couldn't state how well they did post-treatment.
    She said that some people called and said that they were not
    satisfied with their results. She also said that
    photocoagulation (the brown spots where the blood vessels
    heat up) could last for up to a month."

    November 16, 2007: VISITORS TO SAN ANTONIO ROSACEA CLINIC
    http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/viewto...=asc&start=165

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    Thank you so much to those who have contributed to this collation of facts.

    If I have missed one or you would like to add a treatment report, please do so in this thread. Again, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep this thread for actual patient/client statements.

    Thanks

    Jen

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    Default There i posted it on here. damn sorry i didnt know

    COST:3600 for 7 treatments including the free one
    INSURANCE: still working on it
    TREATMENT: ill have to ask him cuz i cant remember. But its the one that leaves alot of dots on your face. And i rember having two blue light ones in between some to reduce swelling so we could do more treatments. I was gunna do that paint thing but i didnt get a chance too if you guys know what im talking aobut. (Edit: Laser & Cymbalta)
    (Further edit to add the type of treatment
    "i got treatments with The SCITON ADVANCED YAG
    the SCITON ADVANCED IPL
    and the SCITON ADVANCED BLUE LIGHT"
    (Edit) PERFORMED BY: Dr Nielson and Renee
    RECOMMENDATION:I would recomend people to go and try and get treatments with the type of lazer i used,ill get a hold of him and ask him what kind of lazer treatments i had. But definitly i would recommend trying a the lazer treatments i did with what ever person has those type of lazers and cooling system that they had at the institute.
    (Edit) RESULT: Flushing greatly reduced; (edit add "This has helped me with my Redness Burning and Flushing emensly."
    (Edit) OBSERVATION: Face was flushy during course of treatments, but improved after about a month

    (edit)

    ill get bak to you guys as soon as i can about what the lazers were alright (edit: added for you)


    peac and god bless

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    Duplicate posts removed from above, as already in another thread.

    I would like to re-vamp the request for treatment info in the following format, so that everyone reading has a good understanding:

    COST:
    INSURANCE:
    TREATMENT:
    PERFORMED BY:
    RECOMMENDATION:
    RESULT:
    OBSERVATION:

    I have edited the above post to add this in.

    Please (again, please!) keep this thread to just the simple facts about your personal dealings with the RTIT.

    Thanks

    Jen

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    (Cue crickets chirping....)

    Any news? Hellooooooo out there??!!

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    Hi guys,

    I hope it is OK to post this here Jen. I just received an email from a wonderful and most trustworthy individual who shall remain nameless for privacy reasons. Anyway, I think this would be a valuable email to share with everyone even though it does not directly deal with treatments at the Rosacea Institute. It is a post made by Nase in 2005 stating that if you receive bad results from any laser treatment you should most definitely get your money back. It seems as if he has now reversed that thought (per usual as he does tend to twist things around for his benefit at all times).
    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/73241
    >
    Here's Nase's long-forgotten reply:
    >
    > "Dr. Geoffrey Nase, PhD"
    > Fri May 27, 2005
    > Re: [rosacea] Getting Your Money Back for Poor IPL
    >
    > Hi Ladies,
    >
    > While you are right about signing the paper saying that if
    > anything happens....Se la Vive (sp?) this does NOT hold up
    > in court. Physicians always carry some degree of
    > responsibility and if you hire the cheapest lawyer and
    > just send the doctor one draft with photos and that they
    > will be pursuing a court case, they will settle 99.9% of
    > the time out of court, right there on the spot. I dislike
    > ambulance chasers, but I also dont respect physicians who
    > dont stand up to their own moral code.
    >
    > On a lighter note, one male and one female rosacea
    > sufferer who underwent 10 plus laser treatments without
    > any help, confronted their doctors for some type of
    > reimbursement. The doctors first offerered more laser
    > treatments at no cost, but that certainly was not helping.
    > I suggested that they just mention that they post to large
    > rosacea support group frequently and where going to tell
    > them their experience and mention the practice. That got
    > their attention a little bit. Then I suggested that they
    > send the doctors a link to Andrew Reids excellent Rosacea
    > Blog on effectiveness of treatments that is a permanent,
    > highly ranked site. You tell them you experience, grade
    > their response and politely give them a zero. Both of the
    > physicians gave the patients a FULL REFUND of $8,000 to
    > $10,000 and asked the patients politely to take their
    > report down.
    >
    > Just some ideas. Some people get poor results with any
    > type of laser or IPL and we just dont know why yet, but
    > there has to be some point where the doctor says, "I'd
    > like to keep on trying if you want and will do it for free
    > because I entered medicine to help patients and not
    > support my four house mortgages".
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Geoffrey
    >
    >
    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/73528


    I think this is self explanatory. I posted it for a newbie at the RSG Forum who had gone to the Rosacea Institute.
    http://rosacea-support.org/forum/vie...6&p=2645#p2645

    Best wishes,
    Melissa

    Edited by me for content

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    Just to keep all the Rosacea Institute posts together in this one thread here is Mike's post from his phone conversation there.

    Posted: Wed 02 Jan 2008 6:47 am Post subject: I thank you guys for this site....I almost went to RTIT 2...

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    ....months ago.

    I called Dr Nase and he picked up, sounding very sick and kind of strange.

    He talked very fast, and like Melissa and many others have said who spoke to him, he sounded like he knew his stuff.

    BTW He said my rosacea would be in remission, and basically guaranteed that I would be free of my rosacea.

    One thing is that I offered to pay him a percentage of what I made every month for the rest of my life if he cured me of rosacea, and he laughed it off....I thought that gave him credibility, BUT then I read a lot about the RTIT on your site, etc. and the condensed protocols scare me the most.

    I have done Photoderm/IPL and with decent success.

    Oh and one more thing.....I actually made apptmts with Anne, who set up the 6 or 8 apptmts in like a 15-day time span, and we communicated via email.

    BUT Dr. Nase promised me before and after pics when we spoke on the phone that first time.....and to no avail. He did not send ANY pics except for the pics on the RTIT site of the woman they are treating, but none other.....

    I am bummed as I thought this was the cure....I even bought a plane ticket to SA, TX, but did not go....Oh well...At least I saved some bucks, and some hassle, and maybe even some worsening of my symptoms by going....I really think it is a scheme to make $$$, and nothing else.

    Thanks for listening....and thanks for posting, all of you...I dont feel so alone!

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    Ummm - it has been over a month since my last check, and still no reports (REAL ones....) from Nase's ets/laser clinic?

    Not one interesting tidbit of information?

    Or, has everyone just forgotten about nase and moved on?

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    Unhappy .

    DebunkingNase.org has been updated....not trying to stir stuff up,but if someone here has been hurt they may want to read this

    quoted*

    "We have been forwarded by a third party a copy of a message from the Consumer Protection Division of Indiana, which is part of the Indiana Attorney-General's department. It was written in response to a query about the activities of Geoffrey Nase, Ph.D.:


    "As you know it is the policy of the Attorney General not to discuss the status or existence of any investigations. I would like to urge you to have those suffering from this doctor's treatment to file a complaint and or contact the medical licensing board."

    http://atgindsha01.atg.in.gov/cpd/co...complaint.html

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    Well I was all set to go to the RIIT in January to "cure" my rosacea, but backed out because of Dr. Nase. I talked to him probably half a dozen times and Dr. Neilson 3 times. Dr. Nase said they would "knock my rosacea out of the park" and out it in remission and Dr. Neilson told me there are NO guarantees and the treatment MIGHT help. I told Dr. Neilson that I think Dr. Nase is misleading many people and that you better talk to him to clear things up. I called Anne the next day and told her I was cancelling everything. She saked why I said because of Dr. Nase, I think he has mislead me, big time.

    The funny thing is that i had been trying to get in touch with Dr. Nase for at least 3 weeks before this all went down. I left him probably 6 messages on his voicemail and I never heard from him. However, about 5 minutes after I hung up with Anne saying I was not going to do the treatments, guess who called? Dr. Nase! What an a**hole! I just had the laugh at that.

    **TO ANYONE THINKING OF GOING TO RIIT OR LISTENING TO DR. NASE**

    Be very, very, very careful! Even though I did not go through with treatment I feel l was greatly mislead by Dr. Nase. Dr. Neilson will tell you exactly how it is and Dr. Nase will lie to you. Nase is a great salesman and will have you believeing that you will cured, but Dr. Neilson will not say that.

    If you are going to do this talk to Dr. Neilson not Nase. Dr. Nase has nothing to do with treatment except get you to go and believe in it.
    "Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by countchocula View Post
    DebunkingNase.org has been updated....not trying to stir stuff up,but if someone here has been hurt they may want to read this

    quoted*

    "We have been forwarded by a third party a copy of a message from the Consumer Protection Division of Indiana, which is part of the Indiana Attorney-General's department. It was written in response to a query about the activities of Geoffrey Nase, Ph.D.:


    "As you know it is the policy of the Attorney General not to discuss the status or existence of any investigations. I would like to urge you to have those suffering from this doctor's treatment to file a complaint and or contact the medical licensing board."

    http://atgindsha01.atg.in.gov/cpd/co...complaint.html
    Hello Alex

    Thanks for posting up the DB site update with the complaint link. I only saw it myself yesterday and the form contained on the link provided looks easy enough to complete and send off.

    Donít worry you are not stirring it up and I think itís extremely important that any person out there who has a genuine reason to complain about this man, should be encouraged to do so in the interest of public health and safety and also because longer term it will help prevent other rosacea sufferers from being conned.

    If anybody has been threatened in the past or just feels too nervous to lodge a complaint then please let me know by PM and I will see what I can do to help.

    Thanks

    Peter

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