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    Please, if anyone knows a good place, tell me about it.

    I feel so ripped off, because my IPL treatments a few years ago with Dr. Bitter, Sr. were extremely effective. He told me to return annually for a maintenance treatment. No problem! Except that he retired. I had an IPL with his son, and he used the "new" machines (RF). It did nothing for me. WTF.

    I've been trying to call his office to see if they still have the "old" (read:effective) machines, but they're always busy. I've called at least 8 times, and the medical specialists have never been available to answer my question.

    I had a test spot done at Heritage laser in Stockton and that spot is still red 3 weeks later. I guess I was lucky not to do the full treatment, but I don't feel lucky.

    Yesterday I went to another laser place. They're retarded. They don't know the first thing about rosacea (she kept pronouncing it "roacia", and when I looked in the book she was reading from I saw that it was misspelled). They wanted to give me a microderm abrasion. She said that's how they pull out the red color. I said I didn't see how coagulated blood vessels could be pulled out through the skin. I described the coagulation process as I understood it and she nodded along but clearly had no clue. That's when I left.

    I hate it when I notice politically-incorrect things, but in this case I can't help it. Both consultations were with women, and it was absolutely impossible to get straight information from them. They both used nebulous, inexact language ("pull out" the red color? What does that mean?) and seemed more concerned with making me feel comfortable about the procedure than answering my very direct, specific questions. "Just the facts, m'am." I wish.

    I know that it's really about education, not gender. The woman who I initially spoke to in Dr. Bitter Sr.'s office was very good (she was actually a doctor, if I remember correctly.) And the nurse who came into the room yesterday with us kept correcting "roacia" under her breath, it was funny. She'd mutter "rosacea" whenever the other woman said "roacia". She looked at me like she wanted to apologize for the other woman's lack of knowledge, which was a nice thing but didn't actually help me.

    I'm just sick of having my specific, detailed questions misinterpreted as a need for emotional reassurance. Here's what I want to say to them, I'm just going to get it off my chest:

    There is no subtext here. My question means exactly what it means. I am trying to assess both your equipment and your knowledge/competence. This is a business transaction. I am gathering information required for me to decide whether or not to spend money with you. Stop staring at me intently and looking like you're going to hug me at any moment. Pull yourself together and put your brain into gear, because I need information from you. Don't phone this in and give me a generic spiel about collagen and rejuvenation. That's not what I'm here for.

    Okay. I feel better. Sorry about the rant.

    If anyone has IPL recommendations anywhere in Northern California, please let me know.
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    Very funny Steve. Trust me its not just women who can be like this. When talking to a man (especially a doctor) you can practically hear them thinking-'dont worry your silly little head over complicated things that are more than likely down to you being too emotional

    At work I have to frequently tell business owners (predominately men) that they are doing things wrong/illegally. They always try to tell you what you want to hear. Nothing wrong with that except it is usually BS.

    I wish you had someone like Dr Crouch to speak to. He is happy to speak at length about whatever you want.

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    Hey Steve,

    I had to chuckle at your story. You are sooo right that lots of people don't know much about Rosacea, doctor's and nurses included.

    My former Derm. Dr. Becker (in Walnut Creek) uses the Aurora IPL machine which I think Dr. Bitter uses. However, I'm unsure if it's "RF". How do you know if it is or not? I do get *some* improvement with these treatments (had over a dozen in the last few years). My current Derm., Dr. Potozkin uses the new Lumenis One IPL. In some ways the treatments (had 5) were good but then not. My nose/cheeks lightened, but somehow my chin (which had a pimple/two at treatments) kept getting worse. It may not be the machine, but I'm scared to do anymore treatments with the Lumenis - my skin might just be too thin/sensitive for it. The Lumenis One treatment felt a little more "snappy" than the Aurora.

    Hey, by the way, on my 6th month of Accutane and love what it's doing. I'm worried though the chin acne will come back and the blotchies will return.... Did your results last some time (you said you had redness mainly) or does it return fairly quickly?

    Thanks Steve and good luck!

    Yvette

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    Quote Originally Posted by phlika29
    I wish you had someone like Dr Crouch to speak to. He is happy to speak at length about whatever you want.
    I wish I could do that also, have some laser treatments rolled into a vacation. I could visit 221b Baker street.

    I just want somebody who knows what they're talking about. It especially sucks because I had this whole thing planned out: laser, then back on accutane. Normally the problem is that I don't have the money, but now that I do have it I can't find a doctor to spend it on (for my price range, which is ~$250-350.) The universe has been foiling all my plans (I had originally planned to still be on M2 right now.)

    I'm sure there are condescending male doctors out there, especially when it comes to rosacea, which no one seems to know anything about. I just happened to have had three almost identical experiences, with women who just didn't understand that I was seeking information, not emotional reassurance. I'm a very direct, get-to-the-point type of person and I was quite annoyed.

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    Steve

    I completly understand. I really wish that I could help you with some suggestions.

    Sarah

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    I just want to report that my mood has gone from frustrated :x to TOTAL HAPPINESS

    I finally got through to Dr. Bitter's office to ask if they still had the "old" machines (that actually worked for me). They do!

    So I'm already ecstatic, and I'm making my appointment and it turns out Dr. Bitter Sr. still works there, and will be doing my treatment! I had no idea, I thought he retired!

    So, heads up to anyone in Norcal: An IPL GENIUS is currently available in Los Gatos, CA.
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    Hi Steve,

    Yeah - that's soo cool. To get treatment by the best himself! I called the office last year and they did say Sr. worked there a few times a month, but he was going to be travelling overseas awhile.... Guess he's back.

    By the way, do you plan going back on Accutane at all? Or, did you get the results you wanted and now are maintaining with IPL's? I'm getting off Tane in the next month or two and wondering how my skin will do and what treatments I should plan for mid-2008??

    Cheers,

    Yvette

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    Wohoo

    You see the universe is conspiring with you not against. If you hadnt been let down you would never have bothered to call his office again

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    Steve, the other great thing is you will have direct contact with Dr. Bitter so you can really find out his plans, like will he be available in the future for follow-ups, what does he think of the new machine? and if you are really lucky a bit of info on who is doing good treatments on the west coast.
    We have the same problem here in the UK, I travel 200 miles to
    Dr Crouch, there are a couple of other good places I could go to, but also travel is involved, yet there are half a dozen laser clinic within 30 minutes who even mention rosacea, but in fact they really have no idea about what treating rosacea means!!
    One thing I do remember is Dr. Bitter has trained a number of physicians over the last decade, in the long term you might get a recomendation to one of these who is really good!

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    If you hadnt been let down you would never have bothered to call his office again
    That's true Sarah, I hadn't thought of that

    MARPUSBEAN, that's good advice, I will definitely make a list of questions to ask him, such as his opinion of the new machines and any good doctors he has trained.

    half a dozen laser clinic within 30 minutes who even mention rosacea, but in fact they really have no idea about what treating rosacea means!!
    Tell me about it... I didn't know it was this bad until I was forced to deal with the local laser centers. I was quite dischuffed.



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