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    Time for an update.

    I got my first treatment of Genesis on Friday.
    She started with the settings at 14joules, .3ms and 10HZ.
    It was too 'hot' for me and we had to go down to 12 joules.
    On the nose and ears she slowed the pulses down to 6HZ.
    I was suprised at how much it hurt. I had to really try to
    be a 'tough guy' thinking no pain, no gain.
    Did 14 000 pulses total.
    I will try for a higher joules setting next time.
    My face was extremely red and inflamed following treatment but
    returned to normal after only an hour or two.
    Since treatment my redness and flushing are worse than before.
    I will return at either one or two week intervals and try to get
    the joules setting higher.
    Dont have much to say. Have very low hopes that this will help.
    Nothing EVER helps! :x

    P.S. Woulda been in sooner for treatment but was trying to see if
    I could afford the time off work to go see Dr Darm but that turned
    out to not be possible. He is probably the best for treating people
    with the Genesis in m opinion.

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    I would perhaps leave it longer than 1 or two weeks between treatments. It normally takes about 4 weeks for the skin to settle.

    Just my opinion.

    Sarah

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    Genesis is very mild. I am even surprised by the iVAN skin reaction, to me it was like sitting in front of a fireplace, no pain whatsoever. Genesis doesn't require the usual recovery times of visible light lasers so 2 weeks would be perfectly ok.

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    Went back for another session yesterday, about 10 days after my first.
    The first few days after the first Genesis I was more flushy and a bit more
    red. After that, I would say my redness and flushing were slightly
    better than normal.

    This time I went with 13 joules. .3ms and 7hz for the face and down
    to 12joules and 5 hz on the nose and ears. The tech who operates the
    machine sets it where I ask her so thats good. I was only able to
    sit there for 13000 pulses this time. It really does hurt a lot.
    It gets quite hot, but most pain is from (being male) the zaps you get from your facial hair follicles.

    Maybe she operates the laser differently than how some others have been treated. She picks a small area and runs the laser back and forth over that one area untill it gets so hot or painful that you 'cry uncle'
    Then she moves on to another small area.

    After going over the face once, she then starts back at the beginning and does it again. Next time I will leave the settings the same and try to
    withstand more pulses. I suppose some numbing cream would help but
    I dont plan on using any.

    Skin was very red with a few small burn marks (dots) where some
    hairs were. Within an hour it is back to normal, then for some reason
    it is less red than normal (but a bit sore) for the next several hours.
    This morning it is still a little tender in spots, and is normal redness.

    I have 3 more treatments and I plan to do them closely spaced (one week intervals approx) I want to get them over with so I can start
    my next thing (melanotan) I figure if Dr Darm can do 5 treatments in 5 days that I can do 5 treatments in 5 weeks.

    When done I will take Biaxin for 2 weeks. I am also currently taking sea cucumber as well as using Diroseal cream. These are all to hopefully stop angiogenesis.

    Bye for now.
    Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iVAN
    It really does hurt a lot.
    It gets quite hot, but most pain is from (being male) the zaps you get from your facial hair follicles.

    Maybe she operates the laser differently than how some others have been treated. She picks a small area and runs the laser back and forth over that one area untill it gets so hot or painful that you 'cry uncle'
    Then she moves on to another small area.
    Yes the hairs 'sparkle' due to strong absorbtion of the laser energy and vaporisation of part of the hair, so it is best to avoid treating hairy regions like the male beard.

    In my treatement I asked the operator to go below my eyes and when she concentrated there the way you describe it, it became too hot and she stopped.

    The general protocol for the face though is that they do wide painting strokes over cheek for example without concentrating on a small area. The cheek gradually gets 'warm hot' not 'unbearable hot and painfull'. Your operator seems to be more agressive with her concentration protocol but since you are OK after the treatment it may produce better results in the long run.

    According to the studies, the results should be evaluated months after the last procedure so the skin had enough time to produce the collagen.

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    Thanks for your comments Orangehorizon.
    Obviously you are well schooled in laser treatments and I
    appreciate your input.

    One thing about the laser setting I forgot to mention is that she
    is using the 5mm spot size. The options are 2, 5 or 10mm.

    Do you think it would be ok to take a painkiller such as asprin, tylenol, or advil prior to treatment so I am able to withstand more pulses?
    I dont want to hurt my skin, but I really want to zap the sh*t out of
    the redness. I just dont want to take a painkiller if it interferes with healing or anything like that.

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    Hi iVAN,
    My derm said no aspirin or ibuprofen one week prior and 2 weeks after treatment. I think it can increase your bruising and decrease healing.
    She said if I had to take something Tylenol was OK. Not sure about why and when you're overwhelmed with info you don't think to ask even the most basic questions. It's amazing what I think of AFTER I see the dr when it's too difficult to ask the questions!

    All the best for a speedy recovery,
    Melissa

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    Quote Originally Posted by iVAN
    Do you think it would be ok to take a painkiller such as asprin, tylenol, or advil prior to treatment so I am able to withstand more pulses?
    I dont want to hurt my skin, but I really want to zap the sh*t out of
    the redness. I just dont want to take a painkiller if it interferes with healing or anything like that.
    I doubt oral over the counter pain killer will help at all. What would help is applying topical gel/cream with Lidocaine 1 hour before the procedure. The higher over the counter gel/creams usually contain 2.5% Lidocaine. Can be found usually in first aid section of the store. You can apply several layers before the treatment to increase the effective concentration of Lido. Don't forget to wash off right before treatment.

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    Hi Orangehorizon,

    Would a topical anesthetic constrict blood vessels? And if so wouldn't that make treating more difficult?

    Melissa

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    It is not uncommom for the hair on the face to snap and sometimes burn the skin while having Genesis laser treatments. When this happens not only does it increase the pain but it decreases the overall effectiveness of the treatment by stealing the heat away for the target vessel. Here are some suggestions for your next treatment: shave moments before the start of the tx, have the technician use a thin layer of contact gel and do not hesitate using the numbing gels prior to treatment. Avoid EMLA cream but the BLT gels or Lasercaine creams are very effective and also are vasodilators so that it will enhance the treatment. Do not use aspirin or ibuprofen but rather tylenol.

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