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    I'm sorry for the multiple posts, it wouldn't let me edit my original.

    This article seems to back up the first post: http://www.plaintree.com/pdf/Plaintr...vs%20Laser.PDF

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    Although again, it's still slightly unclear...In one line it says that Infrared CAN damage the retina by means of heat, but much less the lasers (3 to 4 magnitude less)...then later says 'currently it's systems use 830nm which are unconditionally safe"

    So complicated. The lower the wavelength the higher the risk, until you get to higher infrared, but not low infrared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moore778899 View Post
    Great. Thanks. Do you still do the warm compress?

    How has the unit helped you?
    I have never done warm compresses.

    The unit has helped with general redness, inflammation, and pore size. It has not helped with seb derm at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moore778899 View Post
    I'm sorry for the multiple posts, it wouldn't let me edit my original.

    This article seems to back up the first post: http://www.plaintree.com/pdf/Plaintr...vs%20Laser.PDF

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    Although again, it's still slightly unclear...In one line it says that Infrared CAN damage the retina by means of heat, but much less the lasers (3 to 4 magnitude less)...then later says 'currently it's systems use 830nm which are unconditionally safe"

    So complicated. The lower the wavelength the higher the risk, until you get to higher infrared, but not low infrared?
    Perhaps you should ask these questions to Dr. Crouch?

    http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosa...with-Dr-Crouch

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    Just to let you know, I've started a survey of 10 questions on the effectiveness of red light therapy here: http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosa...eic-dermatitis

    Will be great if you could participate!

    Will be interesting to see the results

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    RLT or collagen lamp primarily is for growing collagen layer in the skin.
    Collagen is present in blood vessels as well. So, it appears that by stimulating collagen growth, it would stimulate blood vessels as well?
    Thatís what we donít want to happen?

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    I remember asking TP same question years ago - I think she said something along the lines of - it only helps the healthy ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by buratino29 View Post
    RLT or collagen lamp primarily is for growing collagen layer in the skin.
    Collagen is present in blood vessels as well. So, it appears that by stimulating collagen growth, it would stimulate blood vessels as well?
    Thatís what we donít want to happen?
    You have to balance the anti-inflammatory effects of RLT and the boosting of collagen within a normative range as determined by your DNA. One could argue the contrary--that blood vessels are lacking in proper collagen content, or that their collagen fibers are worn out from so much dilation, and so are prone to being slack/loose and not constricting properly. Extra collagen in your arteries may provide a strengthening action. I believe this is one of the reasons grapeseed extract is recommended--it strengthens capillaries.

    Don't take this quote as gospel, though--I don't know enough about the exact tissue matrix that gets laid down with different tissue types in the face.

    The primary action for RLT in rosacea appears to be its anti-inflammatory effects. It has marked effects on the collagen of the skin. I have not done any biopsies on myself to know about the vasculature. "Increasing collagen production" does not mean a radical, uncontrolled, cancer-like proliferation of collagen-infused capillaries.

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    BEST and CURRENT TREATMENT I use: Low-Level Red Light Therapy LED array.
    Please feel free to PM me with your low-level red light therapy (LLRLT) questions. I'm happy to help if I can.

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    Default Updated recommendations for RLT/LLLT unit?

    There doesn't seem to be any recent info here on units on the market in the US. Can anyone recommend one for rosacea 2?

    Here are a couple of things on Amazon but I've no clue what to try:
    http://www.amazon.com/Sirius-SS-77-A.../dp/B004REGO00
    http://www.amazon.com/Yellow-Healing.../dp/B003RYMH2K

    much thanks,
    carrie

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    Default For the UK

    I'm having trouble finding good devices in the UK. Anyone got recommendations?

    I found these, anyone tried?

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B015G19CG..._R.czwbS89WV6N

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0185PU7..._sadzwbZDCZQ9X

    Thank you

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    I've been reading Julie's blogs and watching her videos on the subject

    https://rosyjuliebc.com/category/lif...light-therapy/
    I'm recovering from Mirvaso-induced skin damage. Ask me about it if you are too.

    • Read about my PDL and IPL, with videos.

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