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    Quote Originally Posted by hozer2k

    I feel there are some very emotional people here that get insulted easily. They would rather concentrate on their feelings than on the underlying message and goal...to me this is selfish. .
    If you continue to make comments like that you can always expect one in return. That much is obvious.

    If your goal is to post your experience, then please do so. If you could refrain from posting your opinions of anothers results, or methodology, you would not have a problem. You never would have. This appears to have been THE ONLY objection. It's pretty clear. I'm not sure how people taking offense at this is being selfish. It is offensive how you comment about others. Stick to your experience and you won't have a problem.

    I have no patience for rudeness. Hubris is what I see in your posts.

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    This site is geared to veterinarians, as they have been using this since the early 70s. Anyone interested in LLLT should read articles regarding this usage, this is akin to animals 'trials' and has the most information. It also references human studies.

    http://www.emersonww.com/LaserFAQs.htm

    An excerpt:

    Q. Are there any negative effects from LLLT?

    A. In all the years that low level lasers have been tested in research and clinical applications, no adverse side effects or negative impacts have been reported. This is why the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) classifies lasers like the Respond Laser Therapy Systems as “Non-Significant Risk” devices, requiring a minimum of safety precautions. The only precaution is that which discourages direct viewing of the laser beam. Care should be exercised not to stare into the laser beam or to point it at the eyes, and the use of safety glasses is recommended.

    Q. How long have low level lasers been used for therapy?

    A. Low level lasers have been used by doctors in hospitals and clinics in Europe on both humans and animals since the early 1970’s. In fact, the first studies reporting positive effects of laser on wound healing in rats were reported by the Hungarian researcher Andre Mester as early as 1968. In the United States, therapeutic lasers have been used by veterinarians since the late 1970’s. Just recently the U.S. FDA has given marketing approval to laser therapy devices for human use, beginning the trend to widespread use of LLLT in the United States.

    Q. In simple terms, what does LLLT do?

    A. A huge amount of research data has been collected on the effects of laser therapy (over 2000 double-blind studies) both in laboratory and clinical settings. The following excerpts demonstrate some of the most significant results: (Check the bibliography if you would like to do some in-depth reading.)

    1. Wound healing is significantly improved by low level laser therapy, even non-healing wounds, thought to be due to the increased level of collagen brought about by laser treatment. Collagen, the chief constituent of connective tissue, is recognized as the most important ingredient in wound healing. See Dr. Andre F. Mester and Dr. Adam Mester, LLLT and Wound Healing, John Wiley and Sons, Ltd., 1989.

    2. Increases in blood flow by means of capillary and arterial widening of the lumen of blood vessels, vasodilatation. See Dr. Toshiaki Kami, Effects of Low Power Diode Lasers, Annals of Plastic Surgery, Vol. 14, No. 3, March 1985. (Dr. Kami’s work also showed that the laser light significantly increased the formation of new capillary paths in treated areas, which resulted in increased circulation.)

    3. Marked improvement in re-establishment of the lymphatic system after trauma, resulting in reduction of swelling. This is due to the evacuation of dirty proteins by the regenerated lymphatic vessels. (See Dr. P.C. Lieven, The Influence of Laser on the Lymphatic Systems, Presented at the American Society for Laser Medicine and Surgery, Eight Annual Meeting, Dallas, Texas 4/25-4/28, 1988)

    4. Laser light stimulates release of the body’s own killing chemicals such as endorphins and enkephalins Facilitating natural, long lasting pain relief. Dr. Wolfgang Rauermeister, Director of Pain Control Center at Parkwood Hospital, Massachusetts, USA has provided the best explanation of these pain reduction capabilities:
    “The laser light stimulates the release of the body’s own pain killing chemicals such as endorphins and enkephalins from the brain, adrenal glands, and other areas, thus facilitating long lasting pain relief.”

    Low level laser therapy is an effective therapy, working in harmony with the body’s own healing and relieving mechanisms. There are no harmful side effects reported from laser therapy.


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    An LED and a laser device using 660nm wavelength light will create the same response in the body. The difference is coherent and non-coherent light.

    Here's a bit from this site that explains it succinctly:

    Monochromatic single wavelength light can only be produced in two ways - Low Power/Cold Laser (coherent light) or with a powerful light-emitting diode, LED (non-coherent light). Although much of the low power laser research is directly applicable to the use of LED's, LED's non-coherent light is entirely safe.

    Dr Tiina Karu, of the Laser Technology Centre of Russia, found in the late 80's that the non-coherent light (LED's) was found to be as effective as coherent light and without the risk associated with cold lasers.

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    Update: The side I am treating on the forehead appears more red than I am used to seeing and compared to the other side. I will stop from treating this side for a while (I am still recengtly post IPL). I will probably start it again in a few weeks, but am being conservative at this point.

    I will continue to treat the neck, no changes so far there.

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    Sounds prudent. Good luck, I hope it works for you.

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    After treatment of the neck today, it was pretty red while the other side (control) was only a light pink. Things do not look promising. I was not expecting increased redness at all...I thought at the worst it would do nothing, so this is dissapointing to say the least.

    Not sure if I will continue on as I am 0-3 so far. I think I may take a break for a while and try again to see if this was a fluke or it continues to demonstrate increased redness. I thought this was going to be a very long process to identify how effective it was...I really hadnt considered that the experiment would go this badly so far.

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    Does the red stay or does it pass within an hour or so?
    Some sites I've come across that sell equipment state that immediately after treatment the site has redness then it passes and the improvement becomes apparent. And the results are cumulative. As I've said elsewhere, and others have posted similarly, I flush 10 minutes into the treatment but at the end of my 20 minutes it has passed and the skin is calmer then before the session. But I'm treating my whole face. If you are just getting redness and it is staying and there is no improvement then this may not be the route for you. Will you post pics?

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    After some down time, I started trying this again. Been doing one half of the forehead only and its been one week. No notable difference, good or bad, which is better than increased redness I witnessed earlier. I will try to update any results periodically.

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    Up to about 25-30 min per session. No noticable difference, good or bad.

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