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  • PS - just went onto the Dermalux site and it doesn't work and looks funny in google (no blurb under the heading).

    www.dermalux.co.uk

    Maybe they have gone bust?

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    • Originally posted by findingaway View Post
      PS - just went onto the Dermalux site and it doesn't work and looks funny in google (no blurb under the heading).

      www.dermalux.co.uk

      Maybe they have gone bust?
      Hi

      Thanks for your PM and I will try and reply at the weekend. No Dermalux didn't go bust but the two owners Adrian and Derrick were both in their 60's and a few years back decided to sell the company and retire to the golf course. Adrian was a scientist and somewhere on here you will find a copy of a report that he wrote about red light - just found this:

      http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosa...ight=warburton

      As far as I remember they used to manufacture and sell health lamps to the medical industry and they also provided the lamps for the original acne trial carried out by Dr.Tony Chu at Hammersmith Hospital. Because of the positive results of this trial (around 75% of acne sufferers reported benefits with red/blue light) they went ahead and started producing these units for the general market in 1998 - you can probably still find some for sale on eBay.

      As I was interested in trying this lamp out on my rosacea Dermalux sold me one of the prototypes before the main lamps were available and I found it helped but worked even better when I converted it with all red tubes. My progress was monitored by Dr. Chu over several years and you will find many posts on here and the RSC about my results with red light.

      Thanks

      Peter

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      • On a very positive note, since I adjust the dose to 10 minutes at 10mW/cm2 (3.5 cm away with the Red Omnilux) giving 6 J/cm2, my skin has responded extremely well. Plus giving myself a break of 48 hours between treatments.

        I have also been soaking cotton pads in green tea and applying to my face for 20 mins and letting dry before treatment.

        So maybe the combination is a winner!?

        Also I flushed last night, but very quickly went back to my normal tone and the redness is definitely less.

        What I have learned?: Less is definitely more!

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        • Goodness. Did the 6 minutes at half an inch today. Couldn't really tell afterwords, which is good I suppose. But my nose is flushing far more than it ever has. Nose flushes are the absolute worst in my opinion. Horrible feeling.

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          • Originally posted by Rand627 View Post
            Goodness. Did the 6 minutes at half an inch today. Couldn't really tell afterwords, which is good I suppose. But my nose is flushing far more than it ever has. Nose flushes are the absolute worst in my opinion. Horrible feeling.
            Hi Rand,

            I have heard that others experience that. My nose gets a little red in the cold. When do you get nose flushes?

            I find 633nm irritates me and makes the red worse, so I'm sticking to 830nm. I'd try that for a while and don't directly do your nose. Are you doing 6 mins on each cheek 1/2 inch away?

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            • Originally posted by Rand627 View Post
              Goodness. Did the 6 minutes at half an inch today. Couldn't really tell afterwords, which is good I suppose. But my nose is flushing far more than it ever has. Nose flushes are the absolute worst in my opinion. Horrible feeling.
              When I started with RLT (red only), my nose started to flush quite often during the day. At first, I didn't make the link with the light because the weather had also become colder and also because my cheeks were doing well. But after some time, I realised that the LT could be the cause of it and I protected my nose for a while during sessions. The flushes became much less though my nose kept flushing in the evening, after diner. I decided to start again with nose, but in a much much lighter way: first a few seconds, till about a minute, 12 inches away (which is what I am currently doing, since about 6 weeks). My nose keeps flushing in the evening and I am not sure whether i should do more or not. I really want to find a solution, else, I'll end up soon with a permanent clown nose.
              So, my advice is to start super slow with the nose, not to close (half an inch seems crazy to me!!!) and build up very progressively, always checking closely how the nose reacts).
              By the way, I've started to take baby aspirin in the evening before meal and it seems to help.

              Marie

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              • Originally posted by Souris24 View Post
                I decided to start again with nose, but in a much much lighter way: first a few seconds, till about a minute, 12 inches away (which is what I am currently doing, since about 6 weeks).
                Marie,

                I'm sorry to hear your having problems. From everything I have read, 12 inches for a minute isn't going to do anything.

                Maybe you could try infrared?

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                • Update

                  Right quick update as I can hardly stay awake to write!

                  Been very religious in my RLT. I have actually created something so I can keep it around 4-5cm from my face but still takes patience to do every other night.

                  This isn't an exact science as there are too many variables, but keeping the RL unit 4-5cm away, for 17 mins, 830nm (IR). 48 hour gap between treatments. Soak cotton pads in green tea, apply for 30 mins. Let dry. Them do RLT.

                  Face gets a bit flushed - like tonight, but 1 hour later it is much calmer. Seems day on day red is very gradually reducing, but most significant benefits are the blunting of flushing and it's knocked out my burning. Eyes are better too. Would be real nice if it got rid of the red and reduced pore size though wishful thinking?

                  How you getting on Rand?

                  I hear LisA brought an Omnilux New-U, so will be interesting to document all our experiences.

                  I've also got some before pics, so again be good to see how it improves
                  Last edited by findingaway; 3 February 2011, 10:40 PM.

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                  • Horribly to be honest. Not sure if it's the RLT or the D3 (5k every other day) but something is messing my skin up. I flush alot more easily and they are much more intense. They're also almost impossible to get rid of. The past 3 nights I've had flushed skin for at least 3-4 hours. Even this morning I woke up and couldn't get myself to go to the gym.

                    I'm not on a high dose of the RLT either. Just 5 or 6 minutes 3/4 or an inch away from the face every other day. And low on the D3 as well. Not entirely sure what I'm gonna do. I was thinking of just stopping everything and going back on the mepacrine, at least that didn't make it worse. I also consider trying things as they are for another week and then giving up or continuing. Also considering trying infrared and skipping the D3.

                    Meh. So many options, so little time. What to do!

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                    • Originally posted by Rand627 View Post
                      Horribly to be honest. Not sure if it's the RLT or the D3 (5k every other day) but something is messing my skin up. I flush alot more easily and they are much more intense. They're also almost impossible to get rid of. The past 3 nights I've had flushed skin for at least 3-4 hours. Even this morning I woke up and couldn't get myself to go to the gym.

                      I'm not on a high dose of the RLT either. Just 5 or 6 minutes 3/4 or an inch away from the face every other day. And low on the D3 as well. Not entirely sure what I'm gonna do. I was thinking of just stopping everything and going back on the mepacrine, at least that didn't make it worse. I also consider trying things as they are for another week and then giving up or continuing. Also considering trying infrared and skipping the D3.

                      Meh. So many options, so little time. What to do!
                      Rand I'm sorry to hear your having difficulties. Reminds me of when I first started both RLT and D3. I flushed a lot more (and so did many others).

                      I know you want to try everything immediately, but I'd cut out the d3. It's very good to get your levels up for a variety of reasons, but from all the reading I have done, the biggest complaint is that it increases flushing temporily. So does RLT in some (it did me).

                      Also, if I read your post right, you've come off the mepacrine? From what you said about how it was helping this also might be contributing to your problems - that you suddenly stopped taking it and starting two therapies that can increase flushing in the short term.

                      I am a great believer in picking a routine and sticking to it for a bit (3-6 weeks) to see how it works out, then changing stuff. I don't always take my own guidance though and this is when I run into problems as I don't know what's causing the problem.
                      Last edited by findingaway; 4 February 2011, 07:42 AM.

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                      • Yeah, I know what you mean. There are thousands of combinations of things that all need to be tried for at least a month. Reading these forums has driven me crazy.

                        I'm still on the quinacrine actually. I think what I'm going to do is take the next 7 days and cut everything but the quinacrine. We're having weird weather here and it may be the cause. Getting allergies like mad and it's in the 20% humidity range. With wind.

                        I think I'm also going to call up my derm and get an allergy test done. Figure it can't hurt..

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                        • Update

                          Well it's been a while since I last updated, so thought i'd post.

                          One the positive, flushing has decreased a lot in recent weeks. Although my permanent redness has not decreased. Burning has been less overall, but has crept back a little recently. I am only using 833nm. 630nm seemed better for reducing burning, but I was flaring more using it, so I decided to stop.

                          I also brought an LED, 590nm unit from LEDman. Came today. I followed my exact same routine, although only used the unit about 1 inch away for 2 minutes on each cheek. This is because the gentlewaves unit, yellow LED also, has half the power of the LEDman unit and adminiters a dose in 30 seconds. I think I now know why.

                          I think the yellow LED induced a flush, a really bad one. I am pretty flushed right now. I say *think* because I also started using grapeseed oil today, which burned when I first put it on and made me more red and I switched to Vodka (from the usual beer and yesterdays experiment, rum). So for all I know it could be that!

                          Only time will tell. If it is the yellow LED, that's kinda of a good thing as it means it does something, all be it something not good right now.

                          I chose to try the yellow as it is meant to reduce redness and also help with ocular symptoms which unfortunately the red or infrared has failed to achieve.

                          I'll keep you posted. As I write my cheek is now starting to burn :/ - who'd be a guinea pig eh!

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                          • Definitely yellow causing flush

                            Well, I waited a week and used the yellow LED again (been using red inbetween).

                            I used it for only 60 seconds this time, 1 inch away. Big flush on my cheeks. It's so incredibly perplexing as it is so weak and on for such a short period of time...weird.

                            My cheeks have been a little less red, so maybe this will lead to a reduction in overall redness. My face has burned more though

                            Flushing still to a minimum which is pleasing.

                            I'll keep you posted.

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                            • Figured I'd post some updates here. I went off the D3 and the RLT and have been off for approx 2 weeks. I decided that I'd add some green tea to mix things up. I make as concentrated of green tea as I can and then mix it in with lotion and sunscreen. For a nightime version I use lotion and aloe vera. I put both on in the evening and morning. Also, I keep a cup with a bit of green tea at the bottom. I get the cotton and dab it on my face every night. I don't use cleansers anymore. If I do end up using them It'll be once a week at most.

                              This natural type of diet for my skin has done wonderfully. With the help of quinacrine my skin seems to be healing. Takes quite a bit for a fully fledged face to come. Burning has toned down quite a bit as well.

                              Food for thought!

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                              • Thought I'd update this thread as it's been a while now. I've been using infrared light (17 mins), then 2/3 days later using red (12 mins) then 2/3 days later, yellow (1 min) - all about 1 or 2 inches away from my face.

                                Apart from 2 flares since I started which unfortunely progressed my rosacea (lavender I think was responsible :/), my flushing is much reduced. The burning not so much so, but I think I keep aggravating it through random triggers (some days they ate triggers, others not).

                                Over time I am much more tolerant to the RLT. I rarely get red using it now whereas in the beginning I would always flare after using it.

                                I'll update again in a few months.
                                Last edited by findingaway; 12 April 2011, 08:30 AM.

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