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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sineadrosy View Post
    So did your skin never get better?
    It's continuing to improve with my religious use of skin care, as well as LED light (yellow).

    Post Inflammatory Eryethma is what I'm dealing with. The same kind of redness left behind after acne spots, only this is all over the face where I was treated with the Vbeam. PIE can take a LONG time to fade. 12 - 24 months is the kind of timeframe we're talking, but I hope I am accelerating that with my routine.

    I don't think I'll be having any more Vbeam. At 595nm, this wavelength penetrates pretty deeply (all the way down to the dermis) to collapse dialted blood vessels and remove hemoglobin.

    If I have any more vascular laser, it will be the KTP laser that comes with the Cutera Excel V machine. A clinic does this locally, and I had a consultation last year where I quizzed them at length and was even allowed to use the touch screen on the machine to explore all the menu options.

    KTP laser is 532nm, so shallower penetration than the PDL (Vbeam). There's less downtime with the Excel machine as it is much newer than the Vbeam I had treatment on (it was the Vbeam Perfecta, I believe), and has a continuous mode as well as a pulsed mode.

    I've enquired about making arrangements to have a test patch and they agreed. Whenever it suits me I'll do this. Sounds like not many people ask about a test patch with that particular clinic. I'm being extra cautious.
    I'm recovering from Mirvaso-induced skin damage. Ask me about it if you are too.


    T-Shirt: "Laser skin treatment. That's what it is if you're wondering. Yes, it hurt."

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    • #17
      I used to have vbeam treatment it was only 1x.
      But the Cutera Excel V+ laser did the greatest damage to me.
      There were 2 treatments. the first light settings and it was normal, nothing good or bad happened but the second treatment with stronger settings was a nightmare that I have been suffering through so far.
      Think about it again. I would give anything to turn back time and not go to the second treatment.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by przemek View Post
        I used to have vbeam treatment it was only 1x.
        But the Cutera Excel V+ laser did the greatest damage to me.
        There were 2 treatments. the first light settings and it was normal, nothing good or bad happened but the second treatment with stronger settings was a nightmare that I have been suffering through so far.
        Think about it again. I would give anything to turn back time and not go to the second treatment.
        Can you give details? The wavelength of the KTP? I'm planning on a test patch with the KTP at 532nm, but what you're saying is alarming.. but you must give specific details. I know the Cutera Excel V (+?) also has a 1064nm setting, which I will not go near.

        In the last few days, my face has been flushing a lot where I had my last Vbeam (which is set at 595nm) and I think my use of Azelaic Acid has been too much lately. It drys the skin, so I'm going to stop it for 2 weeks and see if things get better.

        I still see the PIE marks from the Nov 2019 Vbeam I had. They are faded, but still slightly visible. When I flush, those marks turn a deep, dark red. No pain, no sensation. It just happens. Must keep the skin moist, I think. Back to the Vaseline for a while.
        Last edited by darren1; 2 September 2020, 07:19 PM.
        I'm recovering from Mirvaso-induced skin damage. Ask me about it if you are too.


        T-Shirt: "Laser skin treatment. That's what it is if you're wondering. Yes, it hurt."

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        • #19
          I don't know the settings and parameters. I can only write to you that I was supposed to have 3 treatments.
          The first one, as I wrote, had "light settings" and nothing really happened after it. During the second treatment, after 3 weeks, the person who was doing increased the parameters, I realized that it was much more painful, it was extremely painful. She said later that she increased the parameters, but I don't know what it was like. The clinic where I was working looks professional and has a medical entity in its name, but it was a huge failure.
          What I noticed, which seems to be a mistake, is that I did not receive any cooling after the procedure, neither for the first time nor for the second time, and it probably was not normal, Especially the second time I should get cooling because it was an extremely hard and painful procedure. After this second treatment, the skin did not recover. It has improved a little but I would like to turn back the time not to go to this procedure. If I were you, I would give up with lasers - LASERS DIDN'T HEAL ANYONE.
          For people who have succeeded, only what they can do is only lighten the skin a little for a short time, but it takes a short time, I think that 1-2 months, the more you will do these treatments, the more your skin will become sensitive. This is a vicious circle and lasers are a trap, maybe if someone has thick skin, maybe there is a lower risk of harm. But someone with a delicate and thin skin has to be very careful - this is a very high risk. Only as I wrote - LASERS DIDN'T CURE ANYONE !! Why risk it when they haven't cured anyone anyway, sometimes some people only have lighter skin, but only for a short time.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by przemek View Post
            I don't know the settings and parameters. I can only write to you that I was supposed to have 3 treatments.
            The first one, as I wrote, had "light settings" and nothing really happened after it. During the second treatment, after 3 weeks, the person who was doing increased the parameters, I realized that it was much more painful, it was extremely painful. She said later that she increased the parameters, but I don't know what it was like. The clinic where I was working looks professional and has a medical entity in its name, but it was a huge failure.
            What I noticed, which seems to be a mistake, is that I did not receive any cooling after the procedure, neither for the first time nor for the second time, and it probably was not normal, Especially the second time I should get cooling because it was an extremely hard and painful procedure. After this second treatment, the skin did not recover. It has improved a little but I would like to turn back the time not to go to this procedure. If I were you, I would give up with lasers - LASERS DIDN'T HEAL ANYONE.
            For people who have succeeded, only what they can do is only lighten the skin a little for a short time, but it takes a short time, I think that 1-2 months, the more you will do these treatments, the more your skin will become sensitive. This is a vicious circle and lasers are a trap, maybe if someone has thick skin, maybe there is a lower risk of harm. But someone with a delicate and thin skin has to be very careful - this is a very high risk. Only as I wrote - LASERS DIDN'T CURE ANYONE !! Why risk it when they haven't cured anyone anyway, sometimes some people only have lighter skin, but only for a short time.
            I'll keep this in mind. I am using Azelaic Acid which actually thins the skin. I was using AA for months and right up to the day before my last Vbeam. Maybe that's why I've taken so long to heal.

            I'll be having a small test patch to begin with when I go to the Cutera Excel V clinic. I will be careful. I think you are right about it becoming a vicious cycle. At the very least, plenty of time needs to be allowed between treatments to let the skin recover. Some people are eager to jump right in whereas I want to see if my skin can get better on its own first.

            A few minutes ago I was examining my forehead. I was standing under a light bulb with a small mirror looking at the improvements IPL made to my skin. I had this particular treatment (only one time for IPL) in 2017. It was quite an aggressive treatment, and no testing was done beforehand. There are speckles and patches of much lighter skin on my reddish forehead. An improvement for sure, but I'm afraid of more IPL in case I push my luck and things go badly wrong.

            The Cutera Excel V+ seems to be the successor to the Excel V. I'll be doing some more research on this.

            https://cutera.com/excelVplus
            https://cutera.com/excelV

            https://player.vimeo.com/video/103767529
            Last edited by darren1; 2 September 2020, 07:33 PM.
            I'm recovering from Mirvaso-induced skin damage. Ask me about it if you are too.


            T-Shirt: "Laser skin treatment. That's what it is if you're wondering. Yes, it hurt."

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            • #21
              the forehead and the rest of the body is something else there is no such innervation as the face (nose and cheeks are very innervated parts of the body)
              I think lasers make a problem when they get too deep into very innervated parts. And the face has a lot of nerve endings. That's why I probably feel discomfort all the time as if inside the skin, maybe the problem is that the deep laser is damaging something inside because my skin on the outside does not look so bad. But it feels like a subcutaneous discomfort, a burning pain, sometimes a lack of feeling, it feels as if the part where the treatment was performed was different from the rest of the body, and it became very sensitive.

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              • #22
                This is why I'm afraid of the 1064nm "Genesis" mode on the Cutera Excel V. I'm reading an instruction manual:

                https://mycutera.com/getattachment/3...uide.aspx.aspx

                They very casually recommend 1064nm for diffuse redness. The idea of that worries me. I thought 595nm was pretty deep, but 1064nm could surely do some damage.
                I'm recovering from Mirvaso-induced skin damage. Ask me about it if you are too.


                T-Shirt: "Laser skin treatment. That's what it is if you're wondering. Yes, it hurt."

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                • #23
                  My thoughts are like this. If you have to do them, do 1-2 treatments a year (I think that from 3 treatments more with short time intervals, the skin starts to become sensitive), only to light settings (I can't tell you what they are light, but the person who will do the treatment should know) Between the 1st and the second treatment, 5 weeks or more break. And as much as you improve, accept that this is the only possible success, do not combine any more because some think that there was a small improvement for light settings, then for larger settings it will be better and this can be a mistake that will destroy your life.

                  And remember what you risk, your skin can become sensitive. I also read reviews of people - who were on one treatment and were delighted, the second one was less but it was ok, And the third treatment, when the settings were increased, destroyed everything and they had a very big problem.
                  Lasers are very risky, so keep that in mind.

                  I also don't know of any case they would really heal.

                  If mirvaso has hurt you a lot, your skin is probably thin too, so be careful.

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                  • #24
                    people who have thick skin are in a better situation and are probably less risky, i.e. maybe someone who has thick skin would have the same settings done as me, maybe they would not have such a problem. But as people we are very different and the person who is doing it sees you for the first time and often uses some template settings that may not be good for everyone. Really many people have damaged skin from lasers and I don't know anyone they healed. I know that the ads are beautifully shown but remember that this is only marketing, but your mind associates these beautiful ads with people without a red face with reality and this is only false advertising and marketing. They want to earn money and I think that companies that make lasers know about this problem, but it's a huge business for them.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by przemek View Post
                      I don't know the settings and parameters. I can only write to you that I was supposed to have 3 treatments.
                      The first one, as I wrote, had "light settings" and nothing really happened after it. During the second treatment, after 3 weeks, the person who was doing increased the parameters, I realized that it was much more painful, it was extremely painful. She said later that she increased the parameters, but I don't know what it was like. The clinic where I was working looks professional and has a medical entity in its name, but it was a huge failure.
                      What I noticed, which seems to be a mistake, is that I did not receive any cooling after the procedure, neither for the first time nor for the second time, and it probably was not normal, Especially the second time I should get cooling because it was an extremely hard and painful procedure. After this second treatment, the skin did not recover. It has improved a little but I would like to turn back the time not to go to this procedure. If I were you, I would give up with lasers - LASERS DIDN'T HEAL ANYONE.
                      For people who have succeeded, only what they can do is only lighten the skin a little for a short time, but it takes a short time, I think that 1-2 months, the more you will do these treatments, the more your skin will become sensitive. This is a vicious circle and lasers are a trap, maybe if someone has thick skin, maybe there is a lower risk of harm. But someone with a delicate and thin skin has to be very careful - this is a very high risk. Only as I wrote - LASERS DIDN'T CURE ANYONE !! Why risk it when they haven't cured anyone anyway, sometimes some people only have lighter skin, but only for a short time.
                      I can concur. Laser is not the root cause cure. It's not even the symptom cure. It's just an expensive way to make a short lived makeup. To feed on hope.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by darren1 View Post
                        It's continuing to improve with my religious use of skin care, as well as LED light (yellow).

                        Post Inflammatory Eryethma is what I'm dealing with. The same kind of redness left behind after acne spots, only this is all over the face where I was treated with the Vbeam. PIE can take a LONG time to fade. 12 - 24 months is the kind of timeframe we're talking, but I hope I am accelerating that with my routine.

                        I don't think I'll be having any more Vbeam. At 595nm, this wavelength penetrates pretty deeply (all the way down to the dermis) to collapse dialted blood vessels and remove hemoglobin.

                        If I have any more vascular laser, it will be the KTP laser that comes with the Cutera Excel V machine. A clinic does this locally, and I had a consultation last year where I quizzed them at length and was even allowed to use the touch screen on the machine to explore all the menu options.

                        KTP laser is 532nm, so shallower penetration than the PDL (Vbeam). There's less downtime with the Excel machine as it is much newer than the Vbeam I had treatment on (it was the Vbeam Perfecta, I believe), and has a continuous mode as well as a pulsed mode.

                        I've enquired about making arrangements to have a test patch and they agreed. Whenever it suits me I'll do this. Sounds like not many people ask about a test patch with that particular clinic. I'm being extra cautious.
                        Have you ever head of PRP? I think I'm going to try it as I never want to see a laser again

                        https://talontedlex.co.uk/2016/05/30...-rosceareview/

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sineadrosy View Post
                          Have you ever head of PRP? I think I'm going to try it as I never want to see a laser again

                          https://talontedlex.co.uk/2016/05/30...-rosceareview/
                          Interesting idea. I will definitely consider it

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                          • #28
                            I have not seen it yet. I wonder on what principle it would/coudl work. In the article there is only information that the plasma is separated from the blood and it is the plasma that the doctor injects under the skin where Rosacea is. And that's it. I will read more about it, but so far I am rather sceptical. Maybe someone heard smth more.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RedMage View Post
                              I have not seen it yet. I wonder on what principle it would/coudl work. In the article there is only information that the plasma is separated from the blood and it is the plasma that the doctor injects under the skin where Rosacea is. And that's it. I will read more about it, but so far I am rather sceptical. Maybe someone heard smth more.
                              Yeah, one person posted here saying they experienced 50% reduction in symtoms and on the tapatalk forum for laser damage some people said it helped with the redness and flushing...

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                              • #30
                                There is Endoscopic Thoracic Sympathectomy (Micro ETS)
                                https://www.hyperhidrosis-usa.com/ets.html#gsc.tab=0
                                At some point I was thinking about the previus more invasive method normal ETS, but it was to invasive and mostly irreversible.
                                In addition, the side effects themselves can make life terribly difficult. Excessive sweating etc. And also they may not solve the problem with flushing.

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