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  • Anybody have fat loss from V Beam?

    HI guys,

    Anybody here have facial fat loss from V Beam?

    I've heard of it from IPL, especially old machines used with the shallow filter.

    Anybody have it from V Beam?

    And if so, is there a common thread as to the cause?

    I appreciate your input.

    -WC
    • 58 yr old woman
    • Rosacea at 48, debilitating at 52
    • Clonidine 100mgc ev. 8 hrs;
    • Remeron 15mg nightly;
    • Zebeta=Bisoprolol=Beta blocker 5mg nightly;
    • Brimonidine worked well initially, then MASSIVE rebound flushing and damage;
    • Countless IPL with Lumenis One;
    • Now purpuric V Beam with Candela Perfecta; more clearance, less downtime than IPL;
    • Botox (with mesotherapy needles), good not great results;
    • Monthly Kenalog injection to blunt debilitating flushing.

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    I have read stories that mention various lasers but cant remember anyone in particular mentioning the pdl on this forum. The fraxel seems to be a name I remember but that isnt a pdl.

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    • #3
      yes ive suffered facial volume/fat loss what ever u want to call it from v beam,

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      • #4
        oh sorry Matt, i thought you mentioned it in relation to IPL.

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        • #5
          Sarah,

          Its been a hard road,Texture ipl fatloss pdl lol

          Now lumenis one ipl treatments which are helping every thing,Strange it may be,

          Ipl fixs ipl,

          its not devastating fatloss but ive suffered volume loss under my eyes and either side off my nose,Ive heard from a few plastic surgeons that its a rare side affect but can occur,

          Lets all hope Santa brings some fat this chrismas

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          • #6
            what does fat loss actually look like? Is it like dents in the skin?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by valby View Post
              what does fat loss actually look like? Is it like dents in the skin?
              It can have various appearances.

              Rectangular dents in the shape of the crystal ( IPL) or circular marks from a laser.
              Etch type lines as if someone got a knife and carved your face.
              Squiggly indented lines.
              Depressions with no defined shape.
              The surface skin can take on a crinkly effect as there has been loss of support underneath.
              An orange peel type texture, which is different from the 'large pore' texture which comes from inflamed rosacea.
              Pock marks.

              I have seen photos where the fat loss is extreme and the face looks emaciated.

              Fillers can rectify some of these problems. More so, the depressions.
              Previous Numerous IPL.
              Supplements: High dose Niacinamide, Vit K2, low dose Vit A. Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Mod- dose B's. Low dose zinc. Testing Quercetin.

              Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA 2%, ethyl ascorbate 2%.

              Treating for gut dysbiosis.(This is helping).
              Previous GAPS diet. Have now introduced lots of fibre.
              Fermented Foods. Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.
              Oral Colostrum. Helps reduce food reactions.

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              • #8
                Lets all hope Santa brings some fat this christmas
                Matt,

                Santa often brings fat, but he seems to have a location problem. Sending it to unwanted places!
                Previous Numerous IPL.
                Supplements: High dose Niacinamide, Vit K2, low dose Vit A. Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Mod- dose B's. Low dose zinc. Testing Quercetin.

                Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA 2%, ethyl ascorbate 2%.

                Treating for gut dysbiosis.(This is helping).
                Previous GAPS diet. Have now introduced lots of fibre.
                Fermented Foods. Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.
                Oral Colostrum. Helps reduce food reactions.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mistica View Post
                  Matt,

                  Santa often brings fat, but he seems to have a location problem. Sending it to unwanted places!

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                  • #10
                    stem cells, for facial scars and "fat loss" will be out by 2012. So hang on.

                    its on phase 3.

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                    • #11
                      I have fat loss too, mistica do fillers work have you tried them? if so how long do they last for?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cbebe28 View Post
                        I have fat loss too, mistica do fillers work have you tried them? if so how long do they last for?
                        Fillers will only work for some types of fat loss, such as depression. I don't believe they will have any effect on the texture defects from IPL or Laser, unless this is causes through a substantial loss underneath.

                        Regarding my personal situation, I am still making enquires. Admittedly, not very avidly at the moment as I couldn't consider having a filler until the rosacea is well under control and that isn't going to happen any time soon.

                        What I have been told so far is, temporary fillers are the best. I would never have a permanent one as it can cause serious side effects. Plus, the face changes as we age and what looked good initially can look weird further down the track.

                        I need one under the eyes, which unfortunately is a tricky area for a rosacean as the area is so vascular. A filler there can cause lots of swelling and bruising even extending to the upper eyelid. I cringe when I even think about it.

                        Some fillers can encourage collagen growth, so if the defect is minor, maybe it would repair itself to a degree so less top ups are required. This is really an unknown factor. At least, that is what I have been told so far.
                        Finding someone who specialises in the type of filler you want and the area that needs filling is essential.

                        The duration of a filler depends on which type ( there are several temporaries). It also depends on the location. An area which undergoes a lot of facial movement will disperse the filler quicker than somewhere which doesn't move much.
                        I believe they last anywhere from 6 months minimum, with an average of 9 to 18 months.

                        Where abouts have you suffered fat loss?
                        Last edited by Mistica; 2 August 2009, 11:41 AM.
                        Previous Numerous IPL.
                        Supplements: High dose Niacinamide, Vit K2, low dose Vit A. Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Mod- dose B's. Low dose zinc. Testing Quercetin.

                        Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA 2%, ethyl ascorbate 2%.

                        Treating for gut dysbiosis.(This is helping).
                        Previous GAPS diet. Have now introduced lots of fibre.
                        Fermented Foods. Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.
                        Oral Colostrum. Helps reduce food reactions.

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                        • #13
                          mostly on my cheeks some dents and scars here and there, it sucks, because they say ipl makes you look younger, but for me not the case, and the worst is, when I told them that this happened they told me it wasn't poosible and that it was the aging process, yeh like I aged in a couple of months, plus I am only 29

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cbebe28 View Post
                            mostly on my cheeks some dents and scars here and there, it sucks, because they say ipl makes you look younger, but for me not the case, and the worst is, when I told them that this happened they told me it wasn't poosible and that it was the aging process, yeh like I aged in a couple of months, plus I am only 29
                            Yes, that is often the reaction of the medical profession. It is disgraceful.
                            I have encountered that nonsense too, but fortunately I have encountered two specialists who are adamant it can and does happen.
                            More and more people are speaking up now and due to seeing and hearing reports of other sufferers they are gaining the confidence to stand their ground.

                            Sometimes damage occurs due bad decisions on the doctor's part and sometimes, it appears that certain patients simply have the unlucky ticket. However, unless these cases and scenarios are acknowledged and examined closely, no efforts will be made to avoid more tragedies in the future.
                            I also suspect the IPL companies don't want to acknowledge the potential risk for damage, due to fiscal damage of their pockets.

                            I must note, I do advocate IPL. It can be a wonderful treatment for rosaceans, performed with a good machine, in the right hands,
                            Previous Numerous IPL.
                            Supplements: High dose Niacinamide, Vit K2, low dose Vit A. Moderate Dose Vit C, Iodine, Taurine, Magnesium. Mod- dose B's. Low dose zinc. Testing Quercetin.

                            Skin Care: No Cleanser, ZZ cream mixed with Niacinamide gel 4% and LMW HA 2%, ethyl ascorbate 2%.

                            Treating for gut dysbiosis.(This is helping).
                            Previous GAPS diet. Have now introduced lots of fibre.
                            Fermented Foods. Intermittent fasting -16-18 hours.
                            Oral Colostrum. Helps reduce food reactions.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mistica View Post
                              It can have various appearances.

                              Rectangular dents in the shape of the crystal ( IPL) or circular marks from a laser.
                              Etch type lines as if someone got a knife and carved your face.
                              Squiggly indented lines.
                              Depressions with no defined shape.
                              The surface skin can take on a crinkly effect as there has been loss of support underneath.
                              An orange peel type texture, which is different from the 'large pore' texture which comes from inflamed rosacea.
                              Pock marks.

                              I have seen photos where the fat loss is extreme and the face looks emaciated.

                              Fillers can rectify some of these problems. More so, the depressions.

                              Matt, when did you start noticing the depressions? I'm worried this may happen to me. I've had 3 vbeam treatments in the last 6 wks. Is that too many? My MD told me I could come back 2-3 wks, but I'm reading now that 4-6 wks is optimal. HELP

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