Which RLT/LLLT unit?

[Melissa W]

Originally Posted by Michael_V

Okay, really liking my handheld LED from Elixa, and will continue to use it for travel (and tendons!). But think I want a full face model.

The two I am considering are:

The DPL from Elixa: http://www.elixa.com/light/facial.htm

or

The Britebox Revive: http://www.britebox-led.co.uk/rosacea/index.php

I think I prefer the look (and apparent build quality) of the Britebox, but at about 800 USD it costs more than twice as much.

Any recommendations???

Hi Michael,
Corinna (T.P) recommended the Elixa unit and I used it as well and was impressed by the unit. Sadly, I reacted to the warmth emitted by the infrared lights so I was unable to continue using it but if you do not react to that I recommend it as it is a nice little unit. I never tried the britebox so cannot comment on that except to say Judy likes it very much.

Here is an excerpt from Corinna's comments regarding the Elixa unit:
http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosa...ighlight=elixa

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Best wishes,
Melissa

PS Glad it is going so well for you Judy!

[Auburn]

Originally Posted by Michael_V

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Auburn-NH!

My pleasure . I shall thank you for making those two studies available. I just sent a copy of them to a friend who's also shopping for a good RLT unit.

Judworth has had remarkable results with the Britebox. I was a bit skeptical at first (even warned her about a possible placebo effect since she seemed to be responding so well that early in the treatment) but, now that she's been using this product for almost seven weeks with excellent results, I have to think that the effectiveness of this product lies in the infrared/red LED combo at those particular wavelengths.

[Judworth]

Originally Posted by Melissa W

Hi Michael,
Corinna (T.P) recommended the Elixa unit and I used it as well and was impressed by the unit. Sadly, I reacted to the warmth emitted by the infrared lights so I was unable to continue using it but if you do not react to that I recommend it as it is a nice little unit. I never tried the britebox so cannot comment on that except to say Judy likes it very much.

Here is an excerpt from Corinna's comments regarding the Elixa unit:
http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosa...ighlight=elixa

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Best wishes,
Melissa

PS Glad it is going so well for you Judy!

Thank you Melissa,

BTW, I don't find that the Britebox emits much heat...........if my face feels a bit tingly or
fragile at certain times I just sit further away!

Jx

[Michael_V]

Originally Posted by Judworth

Hello Micheal,

I have been using the Britebox model for almost 7 weeks (the REVIVE red/infared one)
and if you read my "Judworth's RLT Journey" you will see just how much progress I am
making!

Thank you Auburn N-H for your input.

J

Hey, J!

Yes, I have been following your progress! That's what turned me on to the Britebox in the first place. I placed my order for the "Revive" red/NIR unit this weekend. Hoping there won't be a (USA) voltage issue, as I ordered from the Morton UK site. Meanwhile, I am using my handheld Sota LED twice daily for my face and once daily for my tendons.

This technology is very promising. Surprising more people don't know about it!

[Judworth]

Originally Posted by Michael_V

Hey, J!

Yes, I have been following your progress! That's what turned me on to the Britebox in the first place. I placed my order for the "Revive" red/NIR unit this weekend. Hoping there won't be a (USA) voltage issue, as I ordered from the Morton UK site. Meanwhile, I am using my handheld Sota LED twice daily for my face and once daily for my tendons.

This technology is very promising. Surprising more people don't know about it!

Hello again!

Wonderful! Did you ask about the voltage?

I would 'pass on their free cream samples supplied' (for your face anyway) they look nice,
but personally I wouldn't chance it!

Take it easy when it first arrives................I didn't & my face was sore!

The distance seems to make a big difference to me too, the 8" away is fine.

Wishing you every success with it in youragainst rosacea!

J

[Peter]

Originally Posted by Michael_V

This technology is very promising. Surprising more people don't know about it!

They do.

I first posted about my success with it on the RSG around 2000 and when I joined on here in 2005

Since then several of us including Banshee,TP and IowaDavid have attempted to help others interested in trying it out.

We did have to pass through some deliberate scaremongering from one idiot a few years back but it’s generally accepted that using red light is very safe and can be very effective. It’s still very much experimental as to how much it will help your rosacea and you do have to persevere with it for many months of daily use to reap maximum benefit.

Good luck when your lamp arrives.

[Michael_V]

Peter,

Thank you for your work making this known! It seems it is underutilized in the rosacea community!

On another note...

I was thinking about this article:

ONE MECHANISM BEHIND LED PHOTOTHERAPY FOR WOUND HEALING AND SKIN REJUVENATION: KEY ROLE OF THE MAST CELL

R Glen Calderhead MSc PhD(MedSci) Japan Medical Laser Laboratory, Tokyo, Japan

Light-emitting diodes (LEDs) have attracted a lot of attention in light-only skin rejuvenation and wound healing with an 830 nm/633 nm combination.... the 830 nm-mediated photoaccelerated degranulation of mast cells in both LED phototherapy for skin rejuvenation, and acceleration and control of the inflammatory process after an actual wound, is quite possibly one of the key elements in light-only LED photorejuvenation and wound healing when forming part of a combined 830 nm / 633 nm LED phototherapy regimen.

While I still have to read the entire article more carefully, it seems that mast cells play an important role in the healing process stimulated by phototherapy. If so, rosaceans taking mast cell stabilizers (or antihistamines) might experience a "blunted" response relative to those not taking these medicines.

Just an idea...

[Peter]

Hello Michael

No problem.

Well you could be right about it being underutilised but there is plenty of information on the main Forums now about the benefits of red light with rosacea and the success stories. It’s really up to the individual to decide if they think it could help them and whether they are prepared to experiment.

Here is another article written by Adrian Warburton – a scientist - that you might find interesting.

http://rosacea-research.org/wiki/ind...of_terminology

Thanks

Peter

[Michael_V]

Good article, Peter! Interesting about the bacterial porphyrins and red light being antimicrobial as well as anti-inflammatory and pro-collagen. Also implies that the small difference between 633 and 660nm is probably insignificant, meaning both are likely to have equally beneficial effects.

[GJ]

You might see the odd website making extravagant claims for a particular wavelength but it will likely be hogwash. LEDs have largely been produced at certain standard wavelengths. The notion that something falling a little outside those standards is of questionable benefit, is no less peculiar than claiming that a length of 2.6m wood is less useful than the standard lengths (2.4 or 2.7m) readily available.

Of course, there certainly seems to be a point on the scale below which the rosacean might reasonably expect to see no benefits - though it is of note that an esteemed IPL practitioner has previously advocated the use of yellow (and - I dimly recall - some have used green, perhaps with success).

Likely, there is also a point higher up the scale beyond which no benefits will be conferred. What is that point? Noteworthy that a manufacturer, looking to produce a rosacea specific array, has chosen 790-900nm and so on..

http://rosacea-support.org/treating-...ht-patent.html

How high could one go? There are good reasons for using red. There may be better reasons for using infrared. There may be an argument for cycling through different wavelengths. And so on..